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Old 03-08-2012, 11:50 AM  
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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-07-2013, 06:30 PM   #5056
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That's like saying a person who buys water and baking soda is about to cook crack when he gets home.
If their facebook posts talk about making crack with those ingredients, I guess you'd be right.
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Old 07-07-2013, 06:56 PM   #5057
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I seriously doubt GZ ever thought he would need a gun in that situation to defend himself... I carry a firearm with me whenever I go to the store.. So it is not odd to just carry a gun for no reason. Regardless though, even if GZ would have walked 5 feet behind him, it did not justify TM committing felony assault on GZ... It was dark and I am sure GZ got rocked by the taste of blood and some dude on top of him pounding his head into the sidewalk as well as trying to smother him...

This is no different to me than if GZ was just patrolling the neighborhood and getting jumped out of the blue as he walked by.

Being annoying is not a reason to pound his head into the concrete and he only has to feel his life is in danger or serious injury is about to happen his wounds or how bad they are have nothing to do with his guilt or innocence.
And that's acceptable. Here's where I disagree with you. While I don't think Zimmerman was wanting to use his gun, you really have to question if it gave him courage to start injecting himself into situations he had no business prying into. There is just way too much smoke around his obsessive "investigative" behavior.

Is he guilty of murder? No. But I don't buy the story that this was a guy innocently caught in a bad situation vs. a guy who was trying really hard to solve a mystery and then hid behind a gun when he got caught in a situation where the guy he was pursuing decided to fight back.
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:04 PM   #5058
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And that's acceptable. Here's where I disagree with you. While I don't think Zimmerman was wanting to use his gun, you really have to question if it gave him courage to start injecting himself into situations he had no business prying into. There is just way too much smoke around his obsessive "investigative" behavior.

Is he guilty of murder? No. But I don't buy the story that this was a guy innocently caught in a bad situation vs. a guy who was trying really hard to solve a mystery and then hid behind a gun when he got caught in a situation where the guy he was pursuing decided to fight back.
That was his job as neighborhood watch captain

Wonder if he had not had a gun what would have happened? TM on trial fro murder? TM would not have been shot by GZ had he just chose to keep on running or walking or whatever
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Old 07-07-2013, 07:24 PM   #5059
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That was his job as neighborhood watch captain

Wonder if he had not had a gun what would have happened? TM on trial fro murder? TM would not have been shot by GZ had he just chose to keep on running or walking or whatever
No, it is not. His job as neighborhood watch was to observe and report. There is a powerpoint presentation that was supposedly shown to Zimmerman was clear on this. And anybody licensed with CCW should have this hammered in their head already, but since it is Florida, it's possible it never was.

I get that sometimes on patrol, you'll find yourself in situations like these. Which is why I don't think it's a cut-and-dry protocol. But it doesn't feel like that's the case with Zimmerman. Zimmerman seemed to show a pattern of behavior for a guy who wanted to stop trouble versus calling it in to the cops and waiting for them to arrive.
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Old 07-07-2013, 09:39 PM   #5060
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Zimmerman seemed to show a pattern of behavior for a guy who wanted to stop trouble versus calling it in to the cops and waiting for them to arrive.
this is nonsense

he has zero pattern, in 8 years of making 50+ 911 calls, not one incident even remotely similar to this...

what pattern are you babbling about?
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:17 PM   #5061
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this is nonsense

he has zero pattern, in 8 years of making 50+ 911 calls, not one incident even remotely similar to this...

what pattern are you babbling about?
50+ 911 calls for 1 person is a shitload. He applied to be a police officer. Took criminal justice classes. Called police frequently to ask questions. Proactively set up a Neighborhood Watch program. Went on a ridealong because it would "solidify his chances of a law enforcement career."

The guy wanted to be a police officer. I don't know what more of a pattern you're looking for. And he was pretty obsessive about it.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:48 PM   #5062
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This is Screwy Ass Florida so it's only 6 people and finding "reasonable" ones there is a challenge. Oh and to make it even more difficult on that front... they are all 6 women!
You telling me that 6 of the 12 have to find reasonable doubt to acquit or that 6 can convict in Florida? If so, that's news to me.

If that's the case, Florida is seriously fugged up either way...damn.
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:16 PM   #5063
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You telling me that 6 of the 12 have to find reasonable doubt to acquit or that 6 can convict in Florida? If so, that's news to me.

If that's the case, Florida is seriously fugged up either way...damn.
NO NO NO.. Florida only has 6 jurors not 12 total. How screwy is that shit?
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Old 07-07-2013, 11:19 PM   #5064
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50+ 911 calls for 1 person is a shitload. He applied to be a police officer. Took criminal justice classes. Called police frequently to ask questions. Proactively set up a Neighborhood Watch program. Went on a ridealong because it would "solidify his chances of a law enforcement career."

The guy wanted to be a police officer. I don't know what more of a pattern you're looking for. And he was pretty obsessive about it.
none of this is a pattern that you suggested

48 calls over 8 years from the CAPTAIN of the watch.....

its a call every 60 days

you are wrong on the 'pattern' statement from previous posts
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NO NO NO.. Florida only has 6 jurors not 12 total. How screwy is that shit?
It would certainly be a lot more weird if they made the film Twelve Angry Men in Florida.

Maybe they'd call it Six Upset Guys
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:46 AM   #5066
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none of this is a pattern that you suggested

48 calls over 8 years from the CAPTAIN of the watch.....

its a call every 60 days

you are wrong on the 'pattern' statement from previous posts
Zimmerman was only a member of Neighborhood Watch in September 2011. Most of those calls were prior to being Neighborhood Watch. Calling that many times when you don't have any actual patrol duties is obsessive.

Taking criminal justice classes. APplying to be a police officer. Going on a ride along and making it clear you are doing that because you want to prove your interest in being a police officer. Calling a police officer with great curiosity about how they handled a shooting. These are all behaviors of a person who badly wanted to a be a police officer.

It is comical to actually think these aren't clear patterns of behavior that clearly suggest that the guy was obsessive about investigating and had a HUGE interest in being a police officer to the point where he was going out of his way to prove it.
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Old 07-08-2013, 12:56 AM   #5067
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Zimmerman was only a member of Neighborhood Watch in September 2011. Most of those calls were prior to being Neighborhood Watch. Calling that many times when you don't have any actual patrol duties is obsessive.

Taking criminal justice classes. APplying to be a police officer. Going on a ride along and making it clear you are doing that because you want to prove your interest in being a police officer. Calling a police officer with great curiosity about how they handled a shooting. These are all behaviors of a person who badly wanted to a be a police officer.
It is comical to actually think these aren't clear patterns of behavior that clearly suggest that the guy was obsessive about investigating and had a HUGE interest in being a police officer to the point where he was going out of his way to prove it.
http://nnwi.org/

Our Participants Handbook states, "Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff."

Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for law enforcement.

They do not take the law into their own hands.

We Look Out For Each Other is our motto.
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Old 07-08-2013, 01:37 AM   #5068
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Our Participants Handbook states, "Always remember that your responsibility is to report crime. Do not take any risks to prevent a crime or try to make an arrest. The responsibility for apprehending criminals belongs to the police/sheriff."

Neighborhood Watch participants act as additional eyes and ears for law enforcement.

They do not take the law into their own hands.

We Look Out For Each Other is our motto.
Zimmerman received training from Neighborhood Watch, conceal and carry weapons training, and knew the rules inside and out through his criminal justice classes where he was apparently an A student. Furthermore, he asked a ton of questions about police responsibility.

Neighborhood Watch and CCW training are both very clear about not initiating situations unless absolutely necessary. This isn't some average guy who didn't understand the rules.
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NO NO NO.. Florida only has 6 jurors not 12 total. How screwy is that shit?
Wow. Now that you say it, I vaguely remember it. It's weird as hell to say the least.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:56 AM   #5070
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50+ 911 calls for 1 person is a shitload. He applied to be a police officer. Took criminal justice classes. Called police frequently to ask questions. Proactively set up a Neighborhood Watch program. Went on a ridealong because it would "solidify his chances of a law enforcement career."

The guy wanted to be a police officer. I don't know what more of a pattern you're looking for. And he was pretty obsessive about it.
...and in all of those instances, was his pattern of behavior one of violence?
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