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Old 07-07-2013, 04:32 PM  
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The recent delay in implementation of a big piece of ObamaCare was just the beginning.....Now, there will be no check to see who is naughty and who is nice. Bottomline, taxpayers will take it in the ass even more.

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HHS Gives Up On Obamacare’s Anti-Fraud Measures, Will Allow People Looking For Health Care Subsidies To Self-Report Their Income With No Verification…


One of the biggest administrative hurdles facing Obamacare was the ambitious plan to verify the income and insurance status of applicants for federal health coverage subsidies. In theory, on Oct. 1 of this year, a prospective beneficiary of Obamacare was supposed to be able to visit a website like Orbitz, enter basic information, and wait as multiple state and federal government databases communicated with one another to confirm in real time the applicant’s income level, and then display the level of subsidy to which the applicant was entitled, if any. It was a level of technological sophistication unlike anything ever attempted by the government. Now, with less than three months to go before Obamacare’s health insurance exchanges are set to begin enrolling applicants, Obama’s Department of Health and Human Services is throwing up its hands. Just as it did with the employer mandate, the administration has announced it would delay the implementation of these anti-fraud procedures due to the administrative difficulty.

In a regulation released Friday and flagged by Washington Post reporters Sarah Kliff and Sandhya Somashekhar, the administration will now rely on self-reported data. You read that correctly. A man who earns $50,000 per year and gets insurance through his employer could log on to the new government website and say he earns $20,000 and gets no insurance through his employer, and the government would not even attempt to confirm that the information is accurate before forking over generous taxpayer subsidies. It’s a recipe for rampant fraud, which is already widespread in Medicare and Medicaid.

According to the rule as reported by Kliff and Somashekhar, “The exchange may accept the applicant’s attestation regarding enrollment in eligible employer-sponsored plan . . . without further verification” and “the Exchange may accept the attestation of projected annual household income without further verification.”
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:26 PM   #16
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You are confusing this with mandate penalty, this is about people applying for subsidies on the exchanges. Seems pretty straightforward for them.
Yes but the question remains. What method of enforcement has been laid out for this? Criminal charges? What agency collects the penalty? I'd like to hear specifics and have yet to.
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Old 07-08-2013, 05:31 PM   #17
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Yes but the question remains. What method of enforcement has been laid out for this? Criminal charges? What agency collects the penalty? I'd like to hear specifics and have yet to.
Heavily armed IRS agents are gonna kick down your door and collect their fair share.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:02 PM   #18
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Heavily armed IRS agents are gonna kick down your door and collect their fair share.
HA. while I doubt that... it seems to be yet another part of this crapfest which hasn't been thought through. Let's say I straight up lie the first year... seems there is no way for them (who is this actually?) to go back and recover jack shit. Especially for the self employed. Anyone who runs their own business could completely job the system year after year.

I could of course be way off, but again, I have yet to hear specifics on any of this and I have looked. (although admittedly not very hard)
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Old 07-08-2013, 08:07 PM   #19
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(who is this actually?)
Before the shit storm hit,I thought it was the IRS?
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