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Old 07-06-2013, 01:02 PM  
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"Obesity is a disease not a decision"

This is a new campaign that the American Medical Association actually declared obesity a disease! Billboards with this phrase are popping up around the country.

I've worked out for 10 years straight and I definitely sacrifice eating shit food even though I enjoy it just as much as the next guy. THIS IS A DECISION I HAVE CONSCIOUSLY MADE.

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Old 07-08-2013, 06:42 PM   #271
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I can even maintain a 400+ lb deadlift (I weight 180lbs) when only eating my calories at night and many times training fasted at 3 pm in the afternoon. IT IS OK TO BE HUNGRY AND FEEL HUNGRY! Feeling hungry or going long period of the day without eating does not effect one's "brain" or energy levels unless you already have an insulin problem. Most of the world's population does not but for some reason thinks being hungry makes them tired. It simply is a poor mindset and there is no physiological response of the body to back this up.
I can't even work out, really, unless I'm in a fasted state. I feel lethargic and full. When I'm lifting in a fasted state, I feel "hungry" metaphorically as well as actually. I feel like I need to accomplish something in order to earn my meal.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:46 PM   #272
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Would you like to elaborate as to why you think that?
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:49 PM   #273
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I'm just so over drinking. I'm 3 days straight, and about 11 out of the last 14. It's time for me to start curing my disease.
I was at the inlaws over the holiday, and I drank from 11am until bedtime (usually midnight) for 5 days straight. On top of that, I ate like a pig with tons of desserts. I feel you, but I'm just cutting back now to a couple of drinks a night. Fasting today felt awesome.
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Old 07-08-2013, 06:51 PM   #274
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Would you like to elaborate as to why you think that?
Rabbits don't starve if you refuse to eat carbs...
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Old 07-08-2013, 07:20 PM   #275
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I'm just so over drinking. I'm 3 days straight, and about 11 out of the last 14. It's time for me to start curing my disease.
Nice. Good start.
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Old 07-09-2013, 05:29 AM   #276
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This is so incorrect. I sometimes don't eat my first meal until 4-5 pm and get all my calories in an 6-8 hour window on most days. This is called intermittent fasting. By doing this you actually DO create a fat burning window to help you stay leaner. You are incorrect when saying that eating small meals prevents fat storage.

Eating multiple meals through the day does not increase one's metabolism. Our metabolism is not regulated in hours, it is regulated in days.

People need to stop thinking about calories in hour windows but in days. It doesn't matter when you get your calories in that day, just get them to the level you need. Less to lose weight, more to gain weight.

I can even maintain a 400+ lb deadlift (I weight 180lbs) when only eating my calories at night and many times training fasted at 3 pm in the afternoon. IT IS OK TO BE HUNGRY AND FEEL HUNGRY! Feeling hungry or going long period of the day without eating does not effect one's "brain" or energy levels unless you already have an insulin problem. Most of the world's population does not but for some reason thinks being hungry makes them tired. It simply is a poor mindset and there is no physiological response of the body to back this up.
Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:09 AM   #277
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Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.
Let's compare the health/fitness level of those of us who do intermittent fasting on this board to the rest. Nutritionism is fad based. It's their job to keep the pendulum of what's healthy swinging and ever moving because it sells books and funds research. The current paradigm (which is currently shifting as evidenced by all the Warrior/Paleo/IF diets on the fringe which will likely soon become prevalent thinking for a period) is on the grazing/small portions side of things, but it won't stay that way permanently as some new fad will come out soon (like IF).

That being said, I'm not discounting the "graze all day" method of weight control and nutrition. I think it works for some people, but I also think people have a tendency to underestimate the calorie count of their "grazing." This then leads to a difficulty in losing weight.

The bottom line is that weight loss is calories in vs. calories out. There are many different ways to achieve this, Intermittent Fasting just works well for a lot of people and is extremely simple.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:24 AM   #278
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It is actually a storage of excess sugar. Your body burns fat (slowly) and sugar. It will store excess carbs since it is designed to survive in a feast or famine environment. Your body can turn fat into sugar through glucongensis but it is not very efficient as only about 10% of the fat you consume is turned to sugar. That is why low carb diets make you lose weight. It is also why most low carb Type 2 diabetics are unconcerned with the amount of fat they eat since they need it to maintain healthy blood sugar levels.

Not eating fat or carbs leads to rabbit starvation which is really bad.
It's an excess storage of calories, however they come. Fat is the usual culprit here, as it extremely easy for your body to store fat; it doesn't have to do any converting.

De novo lipogenesis (Carbohydrates to fat) occurs when your glycogen stores are full. It's not a very common occurrence, in reality. It can happen when you over-eat on carbs for days on end and your glycogen stores are full, or when you have a large consumption of glucose (which is gross, and therefore, not likely). The way that excess carbohydrates will cause you to gain weight is by blunting out fatty acid oxidation, much in the same way that calories from alcohol won't make you fat (the body has no way to store these calories and they are prioritized for energy -- however, they, like excess carbs blunt the effects of oxidation of other energy sources).

Low carb diets make you lose weight due to the fact that carbs are hydrophilic. The first few days of a low carb diet will cause you to shed a lot of water weight, and therefore the scale number goes down, but studies show that after this effect takes place, low carbohydrate diets show no statistical advantage over other diets with the same calorie restrictions.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:27 AM   #279
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Pretty much every dietitian in the world thinks you're wrong. And my personal experience backs them.
Actually, they don't. Your personal experience is your own, and has little to do with repeatable, statistical scientific study.

Again, many studies show that meal frequency has zero impact on metabolism. Here's just one, but there are lots.

http://jn.nutrition.org/content/141/1/154.full.pdf+html
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:29 AM   #280
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The bottom line is that weight loss is calories in vs. calories out.
Which is what all successful diets ultimately boil down to.
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Old 07-09-2013, 06:44 AM   #281
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Portion control and eating 5-6 times a day works for me.

You never want to feel hunger pangs, then it's too late.

Like your gas tank for your car.

You wouldn't run your gas tank down to empty (not on purpose).

Eat small meals 300 calories or so 6 times a day and your body never goes into fat storage mode.

Walking is all you really need.

Worked for Jared Fogle.

Portion control and walking.
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Old 07-09-2013, 07:23 AM   #282
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Portion control only works if it's healthy portions. You can't eat small amounts of KFC during the day and be healthy. Again it's simple: stop consuming sugar. Your body can't process it, and stores it to fat asap. This isn't difficult - kill the soft drinks and ice cream and frappacinos and life will drastically improve.

Your diet is probably 2-3x as important as your exercise regimen is in dtermining fat. It's your choice: eat healthier or work out a ton to compensate. Really, which is easier?
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So, we are all actually in agreement that it's a decision, right?
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it's simple: stop consuming sugar. Your body can't process it, and stores it to fat asap.
Stop spreading lies. It's getting ****ing old around here.
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Portion control only works if it's healthy portions. You can't eat small amounts of KFC during the day and be healthy. Again it's simple: stop consuming sugar. Your body can't process it, and stores it to fat asap.
This is complete and total bullshit.
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