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Old 07-10-2013, 02:26 PM  
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WASHINGTON, July 10 (UPI) -- The National Security Agency, which collected cellphone and online data from technology companies, also tapped fiber cables, The Washington Post said Wednesday.

The newspaper said it has obtained a classified NSA slide listing "two types of collection," showing the agency had a data collection category called "Upstream" that accessed "communications on fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past."

That was in addition to PRISM, which collects information from technology companies and has been widely reported by the Post and Britain's Guardian newspaper.

The slide does not make clear the ways in which Upstream and PRISM interact but it instructs intelligence analysts to use both methods, the Post said Wednesday.

A former judge on the secret U.S. court overseeing government surveillance requests says he was shocked by changes forcing the court to OK blanket surveillance.

The U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court "has turned into something like an administrative agency," retired U.S. District Judge James Robertson testified during a hearing of a federal oversight board, directed by President Barack Obama to examine government spying and civil liberties after rogue National Security Agency systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked significant information about the NSA's spying program.

"A judge needs to hear both sides of a case," Robertson, who served on the secret surveillance court from 2002 to 2005, told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board in the first public hearings since Snowden's revelations.

"What FISA does is not adjudication, but approval," Robertson said, referring to the court by its shorthand moniker, after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that created it.

"This works just fine when it deals with individual applications for warrants," Robertson continued. "But the 2008 amendment has turned the FISA court into administrative agency making rules for others to follow.

"It is not the bailiwick of judges to make policy," he said.

Robertson's comments were the first significant public criticism from a current or former FISA judge. FISA judges until now mainly spoke anonymously to defend the court process, British newspaper The Guardian said.

The 11-member FISA court, created to provide legal oversight and protect against unnecessary privacy intrusions, originally focused mostly on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders.

After Congress' 2008 reform of the FISA system, the court had greater oversight of intelligence operations and was required to approve entire surveillance systems, or what Robertson called "programmatic surveillance," rather than just surveillance warrants.

This turned the court almost into a parallel Supreme Court, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues, current and former officials familiar with the court's classified decisions told The New York Times last week.

FISA court opinions will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said.

Robertson testified Tuesday he was "stunned" by the Times report, which said the FISA court had created a secret body of law empowering the NSA to amass vast amounts of data on Americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects, but also people possibly involved in espionage, cyberattacks and nuclear proliferation.

He said he was originally impressed with how "careful, fastidious and scrupulous" the court process was but said with the court's expanded role, the so-called ex parte system, in which only the federal government is allowed to make its case before the court, needed immediate reform.

"This process needs an adversary. If it's not the ACLU or Amnesty [International], perhaps the PCLOB can be that adversary," Robertson said.

Oversight board members shook their heads and rolled their eyes at the suggestion their board serve as adversary, The Guardian reported.

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Old 07-11-2013, 11:19 AM   #61
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Yes I do. Several are my own doctors as well as nutritionists and other doctors in health articles on natural whole health subjects. Do you know anything about how the human body deals with microwaved foods?

There's lots of evidence which would take quote a lot time to detail here. But if ya' noticed, this is not a nutrition thread or wholistic natural health thread. And I've discussed this before in nutrition threads.
In several attempts at this discussion, you've proven to be quite ignorant of how a microwave works. As evidenced by your question about how the human body deals with microwaved foods. The body deals with microwaved food exactly as it deals with any food. In some cases, microwaving can actually preserve nutrients much more than other cooking methods, since the cooking time is much shorter. But you're probably right, this isn't the proper thread for another scientific beatdown of your silly beliefs.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:19 AM   #62
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:20 AM   #63
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It just lacks the nutritional value, here have some blankets.
There's really no tangible difference in nutrient loss between a microwave and a conventional oven. The problem comes when people over-heat their food in a microwave.

Anyway, there is no toxicity. Zero. If there were, people would be dropping dead from "microwave poisoning" like flies. Of course, that little nugget is apparently ignored by the kookers.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:21 AM   #64
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In several attempts at this discussion, you've proven to be quite ignorant of how a microwave works. As evidenced by your question about how the human body deals with microwaved foods. The body deals with microwaved food exactly as it deals with any food. In some cases, microwaving can actually preserve nutrients much more than other cooking methods, since the cooking time is much shorter. But you're probably right, this isn't the proper thread for another scientific beatdown of your silly beliefs.
I heard it on snopes, it must be true!
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:21 AM   #65
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:22 AM   #66
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There's really no tangible difference in nutrient loss between a microwave and a conventional oven. The problem comes when people over-heat their food in a microwave.

Anyway, there is no toxicity. Zero. If there were, people would be dropping dead from "microwave poisoning" like flies. Of course, that little nugget is apparently ignored by the kookers.
Nah it wouldn't kill you in one fell swoop, it takes a while to develop the Carcinoma. Rome wasn't built in a day Donger.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:23 AM   #67
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In several attempts at this discussion, you've proven to be quite ignorant of how a microwave works. As evidenced by your question about how the human body deals with microwaved foods. The body deals with microwaved food exactly as it deals with any food. In some cases, microwaving can actually preserve nutrients much more than other cooking methods, since the cooking time is much shorter. But you're probably right, this isn't the proper thread for another scientific beatdown of your silly beliefs.
No the body does not. Since you're a franken food defender and everything else done by the state you probably believe the govt food pyramid is healthy too.

I used to believe the MV preserved nutrients for vegetables due to less cooking time, but not for other things particularly meat. But my nutritionist-wholistic doctor disabused me of that idea too.

It's not a silly belief—that's just your silly and quite frankly, bigoted and intolerant opinion.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:24 AM   #68
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No the body does not. Since you're a franken food defender and everything else done by the state you probably believe the govt food pyramid is healthy too.

I used to believe the MV preserved nutrients for vegetables due to less cooking time, but not for other things particularly meat. But my nutritionist-wholistic doctor disabused me of that idea too.

It's not a silly belief—that's just your silly and quite frankly, bigoted and intolerant opinion.
Therein lies the rub.
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No the body does not. Since you're a franken food defender and everything else done by the state you probably believe the govt food pyramid is healthy too.

I used to believe the MV preserved nutrients for vegetables due to less cooking time, but not for other things particularly meat. But my nutritionist-wholistic doctor disabused me of that idea too.

It's not a silly belief—that's just your silly and quite frankly, bigoted and intolerant opinion.
You said that microwaves are toxic. Defend it.
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You said that microwaves are toxic. Defend it.
http://www.naturalnews.com/021966_mi...ave_ovens.html
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I don't know what that is.
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This article has some data that one doctor-nutritionist gave to me. I remember mentioning an aspect of this in the Lounge and someone said it wasn't true. But this is the first I've seen it in writing in the same way.

The higher the power creates the most destruction naturally. But most cook in a MV at high power. Still, the less you cook your food the better off you are. Even if carrots have more nutrition heated, you try to have some raw too.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022015_mi...ven_power.html

I have another one but you have to be registered and it's has a reference to a peer reviewed paper.
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