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Old 07-10-2013, 02:26 PM  
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NSA tapped fiber cables to collect data

WASHINGTON, July 10 (UPI) -- The National Security Agency, which collected cellphone and online data from technology companies, also tapped fiber cables, The Washington Post said Wednesday.

The newspaper said it has obtained a classified NSA slide listing "two types of collection," showing the agency had a data collection category called "Upstream" that accessed "communications on fiber cables and infrastructure as data flows past."

That was in addition to PRISM, which collects information from technology companies and has been widely reported by the Post and Britain's Guardian newspaper.

The slide does not make clear the ways in which Upstream and PRISM interact but it instructs intelligence analysts to use both methods, the Post said Wednesday.

A former judge on the secret U.S. court overseeing government surveillance requests says he was shocked by changes forcing the court to OK blanket surveillance.

The U.S. Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court "has turned into something like an administrative agency," retired U.S. District Judge James Robertson testified during a hearing of a federal oversight board, directed by President Barack Obama to examine government spying and civil liberties after rogue National Security Agency systems analyst Edward Snowden leaked significant information about the NSA's spying program.

"A judge needs to hear both sides of a case," Robertson, who served on the secret surveillance court from 2002 to 2005, told the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board in the first public hearings since Snowden's revelations.

"What FISA does is not adjudication, but approval," Robertson said, referring to the court by its shorthand moniker, after the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act that created it.

"This works just fine when it deals with individual applications for warrants," Robertson continued. "But the 2008 amendment has turned the FISA court into administrative agency making rules for others to follow.

"It is not the bailiwick of judges to make policy," he said.

Robertson's comments were the first significant public criticism from a current or former FISA judge. FISA judges until now mainly spoke anonymously to defend the court process, British newspaper The Guardian said.

The 11-member FISA court, created to provide legal oversight and protect against unnecessary privacy intrusions, originally focused mostly on approving case-by-case wiretapping orders.

After Congress' 2008 reform of the FISA system, the court had greater oversight of intelligence operations and was required to approve entire surveillance systems, or what Robertson called "programmatic surveillance," rather than just surveillance warrants.

This turned the court almost into a parallel Supreme Court, serving as the ultimate arbiter on surveillance issues, current and former officials familiar with the court's classified decisions told The New York Times last week.

FISA court opinions will most likely shape intelligence practices for years to come, the officials said.

Robertson testified Tuesday he was "stunned" by the Times report, which said the FISA court had created a secret body of law empowering the NSA to amass vast amounts of data on Americans while pursuing not only terrorism suspects, but also people possibly involved in espionage, cyberattacks and nuclear proliferation.

He said he was originally impressed with how "careful, fastidious and scrupulous" the court process was but said with the court's expanded role, the so-called ex parte system, in which only the federal government is allowed to make its case before the court, needed immediate reform.

"This process needs an adversary. If it's not the ACLU or Amnesty [International], perhaps the PCLOB can be that adversary," Robertson said.

Oversight board members shook their heads and rolled their eyes at the suggestion their board serve as adversary, The Guardian reported.

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Old 07-11-2013, 11:51 AM   #91
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My NSA buddy said that he "was too busy to help right now" but would get back to me.
Tell him to find me a working copy of Microleague baseball 2 pronto, he works for us ya know.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:52 AM   #92
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All this talk of nutrition and microwave vs conventional is interesting, but I just wanted to remind everyone that BEP thinks the govt is spying on us via cameras in, of all things, microwave ovens. That's the important thing to remember.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:54 AM   #93
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My NSA buddy said that he "was too busy to help right now" but would get back to me.
Tell him to message you through your toaster.
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:54 AM   #94
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All this talk of nutrition and microwave vs conventional is interesting, but I just wanted to remind everyone that BEP thinks the govt is spying on us via cameras in, of all things, microwave ovens. That's the important thing to remember.
NEXT UP - TGIFriday's puts tracking devices in their microwavable appetizers that are activated when the microwaves bombard them. Spying has never been more delicious!
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Tell him to find me a working copy of Microleague baseball 2 pronto, he works for us ya know.
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Tell him to message you through your toaster.
I know that we're all having fun (well, maybe not teedubya) at BEP's expense, but I do know for a fact that certain smoke detectors actually do have a small camera installed in them, right behind the test button. They use PLC to transmit the data back to the detector which is the master, and it then transmits via 802.11 to the home's router (if they have one).
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Old 07-11-2013, 11:58 AM   #97
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I'm bigoted towards opinions? You keep using that word. I don't think it means, what you think it means.

It means your intolerant because you use insults or condescend as being superior.

I understand how a microwave works, and how it heats food. It's not rocket surgery. You can argue taste if you like, as that is subjective. But your claims of microwave toxicity are outright absurd. I'm sure you're a swell chef and all. But that doesn't exactly give credence to your microwave toxicity claim. Or claims of microwave camera spying...
No the taste isn't all that subjective. There is a lot more consensus here than you realize. Not to many gourmet chefs, or serious cooks who curl their lips in disdain when you mention a microwave. It's like eating canned food. That's probably what you eat.

But a mw is great for cleaning a dish cloth.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:00 PM   #98
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NEXT UP - TGIFriday's puts tracking devices in their microwavable appetizers that are activated when the microwaves bombard them. Spying has never been more delicious!
Actually he altered my communication for a strawman. It's no wonder you latched onto it like a fly to flypaper. I said there was a chip that could be put a camera in a microwave. That can be done. I mean there's cameras at red lights and on streets. Drones can peer into homes and identify you. I'd find the article by this car expert on what's going in cars BUT the site is down.

You probably thought the idea of drones being used in warfare would never happen or not using robots to fight? Drones are here and talk of robots is happening.
As technology advances, govts will want to use it too. Time to add an amendment to our Constitution. Isn't that what you progressives like, changing it to update it to the times?

You're still stuck in the 20th century.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:05 PM   #99
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O.M.G. Look what I found using google!

India developing robotic soldiers to replace humans in warfare

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/in...rfare/1126924/
With futuristic warfare in mind, India is working to develop robotic soldiers as part of efforts to boost unmanned fighting capabilities, joining a select group of countries in this endeavour.

Under the project being undertaken by DRDO, robots would be developed with very high level of intelligence to enable them to differentiate between a threat and a friend.

These can then be deployed in difficult warfare zones, like the Line of Control (LoC), a step that would help avert the loss of human lives.

"We are going to work for robotic soldiers. We are going to look for very high level of intelligence in it than what we are talking today... It is a new programme and a number of labs are already working in a big way on robotics," DRDO chief Avinash Chander said in an interview.

The newly-appointed DRDO chief listed the project for development of robotic soldiers as one of his "priority thrust areas" saying that "unmanned warfare in land and air is the future of warfare. Initially the robotic soldier may be assisting the man."
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I said there was talk of putting cameras in them. I wouldn't be surprised at that if they did.
Of course you wouldn't be surprised. You're a kook.
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No the taste isn't all that subjective. There is a lot more consensus here than you realize. Not to many gourmet chefs, or serious cooks who curl their lips in disdain when you mention a microwave. It's like eating canned food. That's probably what you eat.

But a mw is great for cleaning a dish cloth.
Have you asked your fellow gourmet chefs how they deal with NSA spying from imbedded microwave oven cameras?
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Have you asked your fellow gourmet chefs how they deal with NSA spying from imbedded microwave oven cameras?
I said that could be done. I didn't say it was done yet. Strawman much?
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We have a government already targeting light bulbs, toilets, washing machines and other everyday items for Americans why not your microwave—even if just to show how much it's in use. Remember there's a crusade against carbon emissions. Why wouldn't the govt want to put a chip in at least, to show when they're in use?
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Let's look at the black boxes in cars too!

Ostensibly for post accident data—Event Data Recorders (EDRs). Our new MOBILE CAGE!

These will store data about how you drive – including whether you wear a seat belt and how fast you drive – ostensibly for purposes of post-accident investigation.

These EDRs are not new. GM and other automakers have been installing them in new cars for years – in GM’s case, since the late 1990s. What’s new is the proposed federal mandate, which would make it illegal to not have one – or (in all likelihood) to remove or disable one in a car required to have the device.

The question arises: why?

Several possibilities come to mind:

First, the EDRs could – and almost certainly will be – tied into your vehicle’s GPS. (Most new and late model cars, conveniently, already have this, too.) Then data about your driving can be transmitted – as well as recorded. To whom? Your insurance company, of course. Progressive Insurance already has such a system in place – voluntary, for the moment. (See here for more on that.)

When EDRs are mandated, you will no longer have a choice.

We’ll be told it’s all for the sake of (groan) “safety” – just like the old 55 MPH highway speed limit and every radar trap in the country. Of course, it’s really for the sake of revenue – the government’s and the insurance company’s. Your rates will be “adjusted” in real time, for every incident of “speeding” or not buckling up. It’ll be so much more efficient than using cops to issue tickets. After all, so many fishes escape! With an EDR in every car, no one will escape. Your “adjusted” premium will be waiting for you when you get home.

You’ve got mail!

And naturally, they – the government, insurance companies – will be able to track your every move, noting (and recording) where you’ve been and when. This will create a surveillance net beyond anything that ever existed previously. Some will not sweat this: After all, if you’ve got nothing to hide, why worry? Except for the fact that, courtesy of almost everything we do being either “illegal” or at least “suspicious” we all have a great deal to hide. The naivety of the Don’t Worry, it’s No Big Deal crowd is breathtaking. Did the average Soviet citizen also “not have anything to hide,” and hence why worry?

But the last possibility is probably the creepiest possibility: EDRs tied into your car’s GPS will give them – the government and its corporate **** buddies – literal physical control over (hack) “your” vehicle. This is not conspiracy theorizing. It is technological fact. Current GM vehicles equipped with the same technology about to be mandated for every vehicle can be disabled remotely. Just turned off. All the OnStar operator has to do is send the appropriate command over the GPS to your car’s computer, which controls the engine. It is one of the features touted by OnStar – of course, as a “safety” feature.

n the future, it will be used to limit your driving – for the sake of “energy conservation” or perhaps, “the environment.” It will be the perfect, er, vehicle, for implementing U.N. Agenda 21 – the plan to herd all of us formerly free-range tax cattle into urban feedlots. So much easier to control us this way. No more bailing out to the country or living off the grid – unless you get there (and to your work) by walking.

The pieces are all coming together.

First, computer-controlled cars. Next, widespread adoption of GPS in cars. Then, EDRs tied into them.

Viola. “Your” car is suddenly under the control of others. Just as “your” other (cough, hack) property – “your” home, for example – is under the control of others. It does not matter that you paid for it. Or even that you have the legal fiction of ownership. You do not control “your” property – hence it is really the property of others. You are merely allowed to use said property – under certain conditions, by the leave of the true owners – the government and its cronies in the corporatocracy.
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