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Old 07-11-2013, 03:49 PM  
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Panic over ObamaCare

Why are your taxes being used to beg people to sign up???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngood...out-obamacare/

Interesting stuff
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:52 PM   #2
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Old 07-11-2013, 03:56 PM   #3
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So after finishing the article .. which was quite good btw.. I saw a link to Top 25 Places to Retire and clicked through to read it... and after going through the list I ended up here....

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/fgij4...4_020-a-w-jpg/

WTF????

I had no idea that living in a shoe was so en vogue!
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Old 07-11-2013, 08:55 PM   #4
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Why are your taxes being used to beg people to sign up???

http://www.forbes.com/sites/johngood...out-obamacare/

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The article seems to be implying that people are so well off that they can't even be bothered to apply for free health insurance (medicaid). How does that make sense? There are tons of medicare/medicaid fraud cases going on out there.
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Old 07-11-2013, 09:14 PM   #5
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I'm stunned at how skilless Obama is being right now. He's granted corporations a waiver on the corporate mandate, but ignores the mandate on individuals? How did he think that was going to end up? He's opened a huge hole in his flank and the Republicans are happy to shoot at it.

I used to think this thing was bullet proof, but Obama is bungling this so badly, that I wonder if this thing is ever going to get off the ground.
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Old 07-12-2013, 08:47 AM   #6
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So after finishing the article .. which was quite good btw.. I saw a link to Top 25 Places to Retire and clicked through to read it... and after going through the list I ended up here....

http://www.forbes.com/pictures/fgij4...4_020-a-w-jpg/

WTF????

I had no idea that living in a shoe was so en vogue!
Well, remember that story about the Old Lady who lived in one. Thought everyone heard of her as a kid.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:05 AM   #7
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This is the part that struck me in the article.....

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About one in five employees who are offered employer-provided health insurance turns it down; among workers under 30 years of age, the refusal rate is almost one in three.
As the owner of a small, but growing business, I find it to be odd that employees that can afford insurance through an employer don't want it. We have roughly 35 mainly full time employees and only 4 are paying for insurance through us. Everyone else declined it.

We used to have a group plan, but because nobody wanted to pay for insurance, we decided to drop it because it made the premiums for everyone else expensive. Now, we pay (I believe) either 60% or 65% of any plan that the employee acquires on their own. For most of our employees, it's a $20-$30 deduction per check (biweekly) for insurance - yet none of them want it.

Just baffles me.
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Old 07-12-2013, 09:17 AM   #8
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This is the part that struck me in the article.....



As the owner of a small, but growing business, I find it to be odd that employees that can afford insurance through an employer don't want it. We have roughly 35 mainly full time employees and only 4 are paying for insurance through us. Everyone else declined it.

We used to have a group plan, but because nobody wanted to pay for insurance, we decided to drop it because it made the premiums for everyone else expensive. Now, we pay (I believe) either 60% or 65% of any plan that the employee acquires on their own. For most of our employees, it's a $20-$30 deduction per check (biweekly) for insurance - yet none of them want it.

Just baffles me.
Well, iirc, there was a poll showing something like 85% liking their health insurance plan. But we now have a nationally mandated plan in order to provide the rest with health insurance which will more likely wreck it for the 85% who are happy. The bankrupt the country some more, harm the economy too. Then the left calls that progress. It's insanity.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:39 AM   #9
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Well, iirc, there was a poll showing something like 85% liking their health insurance plan. But we now have a nationally mandated plan in order to provide the rest with health insurance which will more likely wreck it for the 85% who are happy. The bankrupt the country some more, harm the economy too. Then the left calls that progress. It's insanity.
Good point.
They call it progress because it expands the fed government. I believe their perfect utopia is to be sheep, told to do this and do that, they accept it. The thought of actually exercising free will scares them.
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Old 07-12-2013, 10:51 AM   #10
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Good point.
They call it progress because it expands the fed government. I believe their perfect utopia is to be sheep, told to do this and do that, they accept it. The thought of actually exercising free will scares them.
And to easily have a nation of dupes on Big Pharma's drugs so they're not that alert or die off from all the side effects.
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:46 AM   #13
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Quick question (and I don't know the answer to this). But what effect does it have that many of these employees may be married and prefer their spouse's plan? I see that happen a lot with my peer group.

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As the owner of a small, but growing business, I find it to be odd that employees that can afford insurance through an employer don't want it. We have roughly 35 mainly full time employees and only 4 are paying for insurance through us. Everyone else declined it.

We used to have a group plan, but because nobody wanted to pay for insurance, we decided to drop it because it made the premiums for everyone else expensive. Now, we pay (I believe) either 60% or 65% of any plan that the employee acquires on their own. For most of our employees, it's a $20-$30 deduction per check (biweekly) for insurance - yet none of them want it.

Just baffles me.
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Old 07-19-2013, 06:53 AM   #14
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As I've said many times, this is an example of a cocky President whose never run a business before thinking he can run a business better than experienced professionals who have been doing it for years.

Anybody in the business world who has ever launched a small (let alone massive) innovation knows that there is an unbelievable amount of communication and promotion just to make people aware of it. Then there's the training to get people to learn how to do it. Then there's the MASSIVE amount of work you have to do to motivate people to take the complicated step of trying something for the first time. Then there's the support team required to take feedback on frustrations, then fix the problem. After the first failure, many users will be so disgusted they'll never try it again.

I've seen enough data to know that even the best in the business at retirement plans products struggle with this, even when the company doubles your contribution. You know what their solution was? To automatically enroll these people and get them to opt-out. Let me remind you again that the company is offering to match your contribution up to a certain %.

So remember that price tag put on Obamacare costs? Now start pumping money into advertising, promotion, educational tools, over-communication, PR, and expect that even with those efforts, they're going to struggle big time to get people to get off their butt and do something about it. That's in addition to the massive cost that's going to come once the government realizes how massively inefficient their tech systems and processes are.

Anybody who's ever run a project in the business world has to be just a little disgusted that they developed an implementation plan that didn't at all factor in what it would take to get people to start using this thing, and how capable their systems were to handle this. I just hope every penny is accounted for.
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Old 07-19-2013, 07:14 AM   #15
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Quick question (and I don't know the answer to this). But what effect does it have that many of these employees may be married and prefer their spouse's plan? I see that happen a lot with my peer group.
I suppose that could be the reason for a few of them, but the majority of our employees aren't married. Some are younger early 20's, but the majority are older single females.

Just seems odd to me that even though it's offered to them and would cost very little out of pocket, they have no interest in having it.
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