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Neighborhood watch captain shoots innocent black youth and doesn't even get arrested

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ORLANDO, Florida (Reuters) - The family of a 17-year-old African-American boy shot to death last month in his gated Florida community by a white Neighborhood Watch captain wants to see the captain arrested, the family's lawyer said on Wednesday.

Trayvon Martin was shot dead after he took a break from watching NBA All-Star game television coverage to walk 10 minutes to a convenience store to buy snacks including Skittles candy requested by his 13-year-old brother, Chad, the family's lawyer Ben Crump said.

"He was a good kid," Crump said in an interview, adding that the family would issue a call for the Watch captain's arrest at a news conference on Thursday. "On his way home, a Neighborhood Watch loose cannon shot and killed him."

[Related: Fla. teen avoids deportation]

Trayvon, who lived in Miami with his mother, had been visiting his father and stepmother in a gated townhome community called The Retreat at Twin Lakes in Sanford, 20 miles north of Orlando.

As Trayvon returned to the townhome, Sanford police received a 911 call reporting a suspicious person.

Although names are blacked out on the police report, Crump and media reports at the time of the shooting identified the caller as George Zimmerman who is listed in the community's newsletter as the Neighborhood Watch captain.

Without waiting for police to arrive, Crump said, Zimmerman confronted Trayvon, who was on the sidewalk near his home. By the time police got there, Trayvon was dead of a single gunshot to the chest.

"What do the police find in his pocket? Skittles," Crump said. "A can of Arizona ice tea in his jacket pocket and Skittles in his front pocket for his brother Chad."

Zimmerman could not be reached for comment on Wednesday evening at a phone number listed for him on the community's newsletter.

Crump said the family was concerned that police might decide to consider the shooting as self defense, and that police have ignored the family's request for a copy of the original 911 call, which they think will shed light on the incidents.

"If the 911 protocol across the country held to form here, they told him not to get involved. He disobeyed that order," said Ryan Julison, a spokesman for the family.

"He (Zimmerman) didn't have to get out of his car," said Crump, who has prepared a public records lawsuit to file on Thursday if the family doesn't get the 911 tape. "If he never gets out of his car, there is no reason for self-defense. Trayvon only has skittles. He has the gun."

Since Trayvon, a high school junior who wanted to be a pilot, was black and Zimmerman is white, Crump said race is "the 600 pound elephant in the room."

"Why is this kid suspicious in the first place? I think a stereotype must have been placed on the kid," Crump said.

(Editing By Cynthia Johnston and Peter Bohan)

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Old 07-13-2013, 10:04 PM   #5866
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Actually, the United States is among the most conservative of all Western democracies relative to other countries, but still liberal in the classical sense.

If you were to gauge American political opinion relative to the opinion of other similar countries it would be considerably conservative.
Because it's the most classical liberal albeit much of it has been lost. The idea of us even being a democracy is not classical liberalism either. Those guys spoke disparagingly of democracy at the national level.



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Old 07-13-2013, 10:04 PM   #5867
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You had a legitimate reason to follow a drunk driver. Zimmerman was following someone who was doing nothing wrong other than being black and out too late in Zimmerman's opinion...two totally different situations.
The point, though, is that 911 operators told me to back off and I told them flatly that I would not. They have ZERO authority... they are not police.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:04 PM   #5868
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This point has been brought up several times, yet not one of the foaming at the mouth Zimmerman supporters care about it. You don't see any gun supporters coming to her aid, and not one thread from DC posters for her support....
Again I see it as the media hyping one event and not giving a crap about the other. I definitely support her fwiw.
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:04 PM   #5869
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Trayvon may have been doing nothing wrong but you have to see it from the perspective of someone upset over previous break-ins committed by black young males. All three categories applied—not just black. It comes down to point of view and you refuse to look at it from those shoes. Zimmerman had some right to see what he was up to and where he was going. Trayvon, also had the right to be scared...but traveling back to punch someone isn't a sign of that.
Racial profiling is against the law. Police officers are not allowed to do it. Why on earth would you argue a glorified vigilante should be able to do it. Its wrong, there is nothing you can say that would make it right..then again you don't have to deal with racial profiling. For someone who supports libertarian rights you would think you would be against racial profiling.
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This point has been brought up several times, yet not one of the foaming at the mouth Zimmerman supporters care about it. You don't see any gun supporters coming to her aid, and not one thread from DC posters for her support....
She LEFT got a gun and CAME BACK!!!
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The point, though, is that 911 operators told me to back off and I told them flatly that I would not. They have ZERO authority... they are not police.
I was shocked at how many people in general do not understand this
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Old 07-13-2013, 10:06 PM   #5872
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The point, though, is that 911 operators told me to back off and I told them flatly that I would not. They have ZERO authority... they are not police.
Do you see the difference in the two situations? One was you doing something responsible, and the other was a glorified vigilante stalking someone for no reason. He should have backed off.
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This point has been brought up several times, yet not one of the foaming at the mouth Zimmerman supporters care about it. You don't see any gun supporters coming to her aid, and not one thread from DC posters for her support....
I just looked at it. I do NOT think she deserves 20 years for that or any time either. I consider that self-defense and do think Stand Your Ground should apply. THAT is an injustice as far as I am concerned.
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Because it's the most classical liberal albeit much of it has been lost. The idea of us even being a democracy is not classical liberalism either. Those guys spoke disparagingly of democracy at the national level.





This is laughable.




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I'm not surprised that you don't understand this. Someone being to your left or right does not mean that they are automatically left or right wing. Shit, Reagan is to the left of you, but no one would call him a lefty.

That's what makes you such a disgrace. You routinely throw out blanket terms without even realizing where you exist on the political spectrum
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She LEFT got a gun and CAME BACK!!!
He racially profiled a kid and provoked a confrontation...which lead to him KILLING a kid and not shooting warning shots. Not much of a difference.
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He racially profiled a kid and provoked a confrontation...which lead to him KILLING a kid and not shooting warning shots. Not much of a difference.
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Racial profiling is against the law. Police officers are not allowed to do it. Why on earth would you argue a glorified vigilante should be able to do it. Its wrong, there is nothing you can say that would make it right..then again you don't have to deal with racial profiling. For someone who supports libertarian rights you would think you would be against racial profiling.
Because that is the state doing it—not a private citizen. Your thinking Z was a vigilante is just your opinion.

Seriously, if I discover I am driving through a black ghetto I lock my doors and roll up my windows.
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Do you see the difference in the two situations? One was you doing something responsible, and the other was a glorified vigilante stalking someone for no reason. He should have backed off.
No.

For all the 911 operator knew, I was pissed and was going to draw down and hold the drunk until the cops got there. Or the drunk could have tried to ram me and get into a physical altercation where I WOULD have drawn and fired.

You keep stating that police told him to back off. They didn't. 911 operators told him to back off, like they told me, and they don't carry any authority to tell me or anyone else what to do.

If it were illegal to disobey a SUGGESTION from a 911 operator, I would have a minimum of 3 charges against me.
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This point has been brought up several times, yet not one of the foaming at the mouth Zimmerman supporters care about it. You don't see any gun supporters coming to her aid, and not one thread from DC posters for her support....
That's probably because the media didn't shove it down our throats. This is the first I've heard of it, and frankly, I think it's bullshit.
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