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Old 07-17-2013, 09:48 PM  
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July 17th, 2013

In a financial planning guide for its workers, the company accidentally illustrates precisely how impossible it is to scrape by on a fast food paycheck

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/...m-wage/277845/

How McDonald’s workers CAN’T live on their minimum wages: Fast food giant sets up website to help their employees budget better… and it recommends they get a second job

Suggested monthly expenses for the hypothetical McDonald’s employee working a 40-hour week include $600 for rent – a figure that has raised eyebrows among anyone familiar with the housing market in cities like New York and Philadelphia.

While it is still possible to find housing with three-digit rent in some parts of the U.S., an average apartment in Manhattan rents for about $3,000 a month. Even in the outer boroughs it is nearly impossible to come across anything cheaper than $1,400 a month.

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Old 07-20-2013, 04:01 AM   #151
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I recognize an issue you nitwit. I choose to look beyond a government driven solution. And I choose to recognize the success of many who made it and didnt sit at home and whine. I also recognize the need to help many. This whole liberal mishmash thinking that only government can fix problems and that humans are somehow incapable of mending themselves is what is sending us to hell. Not all are lazy. No one said they were all lazy. But if you deny there is an ass load of freeloading lazy bastards out there then you have your head up your ass.
i think parents and schools really have responsibility here. so many allow kids to cruise through school without challenge and they learn no skills or determination.
these people later in life are stuck, they don't know they can advance and even if they did, ambition, perseverance, and determination doesn't just appear overnight. those are all learned, and best learned throughout childhood and refined throughout life, as i'm sure you know.
so what can we do? is there any hope for the current batch? well, politicians aren't the cure. but i know for the future, you gotta start with the young people, right? and if recent happenings are any indication, a la twitter and racheal jeeanteel, shit aint too bright.

that being said, looks like we're going to have plenty of low-skill workers for decades. hmm, what business could we start that could take advantage of infinite low-skill labor?
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Old 07-20-2013, 06:55 AM   #152
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i think parents and schools really have responsibility here. so many allow kids to cruise through school without challenge and they learn no skills or determination.
these people later in life are stuck, they don't know they can advance and even if they did, ambition, perseverance, and determination doesn't just appear overnight. those are all learned, and best learned throughout childhood and refined throughout life, as i'm sure you know.
so what can we do? is there any hope for the current batch? well, politicians aren't the cure. but i know for the future, you gotta start with the young people, right? and if recent happenings are any indication, a la twitter and racheal jeeanteel, shit aint too bright.

that being said, looks like we're going to have plenty of low-skill workers for decades. hmm, what business could we start that could take advantage of infinite low-skill labor?
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Individuals have to do the work. It cannot be done for them or just be provided to them. Motivation drops when the rewards for doing nothing are high enough that people will accept that as good enough. We pay far to much in support.
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Old 07-20-2013, 07:58 AM   #153
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It starts at home. That is clear. But the current state rewards doing nothing.

Individuals have to do the work. It cannot be done for them or just be provided to them. Motivation drops when the rewards for doing nothing are high enough that people will accept that as good enough. We pay far to much in support.
We pay far to much in support to people who are working or have worked.

It is a complete lie that poor people are lazy non workers.

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Federal budget and Census data show that, in 2010, 91 percentof the benefit dollars from entitlement and other mandatory programs went to the elderly (people 65 and over), the seriously disabled, and members of working households. People who are neither elderly nor disabled — and do not live in a working household — received only 9 percent of the benefits.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3677

Hence the large corporations use entitlements to subsides their low wages.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:04 AM   #154
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I'm well-aware that everyone pays payroll and state/local taxes. If you are arguing that percentages are not equal, that's fine. But, that isn't what I was arguing.
What are you arguing? A point that rich people pay more in taxes? What is the point there?

Are you hoping to fool other stupid people who don't understand that when you tax a percent of income, and your income is more than 99 percent of the country, you will pay more in income tax; and that is supposed to somehow be unfair? (Despite the fact that as a percentage of income, the income tax is more unfair to the lower classes)

Because that is the only reason to mention an amount paid, instead of a percent. To purposely lie to people in order to misinform them about the tax code.

Anything other than a percent of income is a meaningless number.

So are you stupid or purposely lying to people to influence them?
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:08 AM   #155
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What are you arguing? A point that rich people pay more in taxes? What is the point there?

Are you hoping to fool other stupid people who don't understand that when you tax a percent of income, and your income is more than 99 percent of the country, you will pay more in income tax; and that is supposed to somehow be unfair? (Despite the fact that as a percentage of income, the income tax is more unfair to the lower classes)

Because that is the only reason to mention an amount paid, instead of a percent. To purposely lie to people in order to misinform them about the tax code.

Anything other than a percent of income is a meaningless number.

So are you stupid or purposely lying to people to influence them?
I'm arguing that "the rich" already pay the vast majority of taxes taken in this country.

Sorry, I thought that was clear the first time I posted it.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:16 AM   #156
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Because in many of those cases, people jobs are being protected when there are much more efficient ways to do it (e.g. robots, machines). Or people are being put to work just to keep up employment, even if that job isn't needed (e.g. creating construction contracts just to get people to work, even if the ROI is minimal). Unions have created that as well as unintended consequences of people so cozy knowing they won't get fired, that they have no motivation to work harder.
Nothing about this is true.

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Your last comment says it all. In the private sector, when a skill set is no longer needed, it's phased out. There are obviously skill jobs that need to be protected because you can't replace a skilled human. But that's not the case with all union jobs. Many union jobs protect humans who are just driving costs up for businesses.
I wasn't aware that Construction was no longer needed in this country.

I guess we don't need bridges. And power planets. And upgraded roads. Or new schools. Or Housing.

I wasn't aware that the Nuclear Power Planet at Callaway County (and all across the U.S.) could clean and maintenance itself, so we don't need construction workers. And that a team of construction workers who were all trained and tested for the job do not need to go in there to clean it and maintenance it.

That is just stupid.

But go ahead and cheer well paying jobs leaving the country, so a business doesn't have to pay a construction worker 40,000 a year.

GOP plan of stupid:
1)Convince their idiot base that jobs are too expensive for business
2)complain and moan about people being paid too much
3)ship jobs overseas with support of idiot GOP base
3)watch as more and more people go on assistance
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:17 AM   #157
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I'm arguing that "the rich" already pay the vast majority of taxes taken in this country.

Sorry, I thought that was clear the first time I posted it.

Okay, then show that as a percent of their income, the rich actual do pay more.

Otherwise I am going to continue to call you a stupid liar.

/Its okay, I know more stupid conservatives change their mind when presented with facts.
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Old 07-20-2013, 08:21 AM   #158
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Okay, then show that as a percent of their income, the rich actual do pay more.

Otherwise I am going to continue to call you a stupid liar.

/Its okay, I know more stupid conservatives change their mind when presented with facts.
So, you think that actual revenue is irrelevant? Actual dollars? Only percentages matter?

That is REALLY what you are arguing?
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Wow, the guy who condones a 9M pension for a police officer is now bitching about the 1%
Wow, a Police officer worked really hard and took on massive amounts of overtime during a 25 plus year long career, who's salary was already at 80,000 retires, and because of the massive amount of overtime he worked (therefore earned) , and because of rising cost of living and cost of healthcare, gets a retirement that will support him.

The horror.

The should have worked at Walmart until they were 80 then lived off the government social security check. What were they thinking taking a well paying job with great benefits.

/this isn't anything compared to what the 1 percent takes for the taxpayer. Go ahead and look how much tax money the Romney's got back for a dancing horse.
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Okay, then show that as a percent of their income, the rich actual do pay more.

Otherwise I am going to continue to call you a stupid liar.

/Its okay, I know more stupid conservatives change their mind when presented with facts.
Errr, okay. I'll just repost the graph that you posted earlier.

By the way, it DOES show that "the rich" pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than "the poor."

No offense, but you are terrible at this....

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Old 07-20-2013, 08:29 AM   #161
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So, you think that actual revenue is irrelevant? Actual dollars? Only percentages matter?

That is REALLY what you are arguing?
Yes. I've explained why.

Your turn to explain why the percent doesn't matter. Why is it important that 30 percent on an income of a million dollars is more than 30 percent of 20,000 dollars.
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Errr, okay. I'll just repost the graph that you posted earlier.

By the way, it DOES show that "the rich" pay a higher percentage of their income in taxes than "the poor."

No offense, but you are terrible at this....

Are really going to try to say that you were right all along because the top 1 percent has lower percent than 80-95.(Which anyone who knows anything about the tax code knows it is the Upper Middle class that pays the most taxes in this country) And the difference between the middle percent is .7 percent.

Wow, the screaming unfairness of it all.

You want the poorest of the poor in our Country to pay more in taxes? Pay them more at their jobs. Duh
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Nothing about this is true.



I wasn't aware that Construction was no longer needed in this country.

I guess we don't need bridges. And power planets. And upgraded roads. Or new schools. Or Housing.

I wasn't aware that the Nuclear Power Planet at Callaway County (and all across the U.S.) could clean and maintenance itself, so we don't need construction workers. And that a team of construction workers who were all trained and tested for the job do not need to go in there to clean it and maintenance it.

That is just stupid.
When did I say construction needed to go away? I specifically said there are plenty of jobs that require a human touch. Construction is an industry where that's especially true. But we are seeing an increasing number of jobs where humans aren't needed. Manufacturing especially.

Two perfect examples: Blockbuster Video and Kodak. Based on everything I've read from you, you believe these companies should be allowed to limp along and those jobs need to be protected. Especially at Kodak where you have a lot of workers working incredibly specialized roles.

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But go ahead and cheer well paying jobs leaving the country, so a business doesn't have to pay a construction worker 40,000 a year.
If we are creating construction jobs by using taxpayer money to fund unnecessary construction projects just to keep people working, then that is shameful. This is less related to construction and a lot more related to government-funded projects like DOT infrastructure projects.

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I am not a conservative. I'm a moderate. I get shit from right-wingers on this board all the time.

1 & 2) If we are talking about minimum wage jobs that destroy job growth and overpaid executives, then yes. Other than that, wages are set by supply and demand -- if you don't like your pay, then find another job. If you can't, then you're getting paid just right
3) Idiotic to not support outsourcing. It's protectionist measures like these that have turned America from a superpower to inferior in many ways to other countries' economies. Look up the theory of "comparative advantage."
4) I don't complain about people on assistance. I want less people on assistance because they are trained to do VALUE ADD activities. I hate the idea of protecting jobs we no longer need.
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When did I say construction needed to go away? I specifically said there are plenty of jobs that require a human touch. Construction is an industry where that's especially true. But we are seeing an increasing number of jobs where humans aren't needed. Manufacturing especially.

Two perfect examples: Blockbuster Video and Kodak. Based on everything I've read from you, you believe these companies should be allowed to limp along and those jobs need to be protected. Especially at Kodak where you have a lot of workers working incredibly specialized roles.
Blockbuster? That's still around?

Were you talking about Teachers unions? do we not need teachers?
Or police and fire unions? Do we need them?
What about Railroads? Do we need those workers?
Airlines?
And Manufacturing is still very much needed. I like to use Germany as an example:

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In 2010, Germany produced more than 5.5 million automobiles; the U.S produced 2.7 million. At the same time, the average auto worker in Germany made $67.14 per hour in salary in benefits; the average one in the U.S. made $33.77 per hour. Yet Germany’s big three car companies—BMW, Daimler (Mercedes-Benz), and Volkswagen—are very profitable.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/frederic...twice-as-much/

This idea that a company cannot be profitable while paying true living wages is a false idea created by greedy corporations.

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If we are creating construction jobs by using taxpayer money to fund unnecessary construction projects just to keep people working, then that is shameful. This is less related to construction and a lot more related to government-funded projects like DOT infrastructure projects.
This does not happen regularly if at all. If you believe this is a problem, please name the unneeded construction projects currently in Missouri.
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