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Old 07-15-2013, 12:07 PM  
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Harry Reid is nuking the non-talking filibuster on Presidential nominations.

Interesting development, to say the least. Some hyperventilating will soon follow, to be sure.

He spoke on the Senate floor today. I've isolated the parts of his speech that outline his point of view.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ming-obsolete/

READ: Harry Reid’s speech on how he’ll ‘save the Senate from becoming obsolete’
By Lydia DePillis
Published: July 15 at 12:45 pm

Congress is extremely unpopular for a couple of main reason. Any poll you look at indicates that they’re unpopular for two reasons: one, gridlock, gridlock, gridlock; two, not getting things done. And that’s really true. We — when I came to Congress, actually first time I ran for the Senate, we were at above 45 percent, approaching 50 percent (inaudible) Congress. Not that way anymore. Last Gallup number had us at 10 percent and not going up, going down.

So why is that? Of course, we all know we need to pass legislation that does good things for our country, especially the middle class.

Flip on C-SPAN, as I know some of you do, and what do you see there the vast majority of the time? Nothing. Blank screen. Quorum calls.

So we’re wasting time. Hour after hour, day after day.

Let me give you a picture of where we’re coming from — me and my caucus — Lyndon Johnson was majority leader for six years. During that period of time, he had to overcome one filibuster. I’ve been leader about the same time as he has. I don’t know the exact number, but it’s around 420 filibusters.

So have things changed?

Yes, they sure have changed.

Now, there are — everyone knows that under the Constitution, we have a responsibility to give advice and consent to the president on his nominations, but all we have from the Republicans is not advice and consent, we have obstruct and delay. And that’s really the truth.

Now, remember my conservative friends always talk about the Constitution. So let’s use that as a frame for my presentation to you here today. The Constitution is very, very specific as to what requires a super majority: Vetoes, impeachments, treaties. And that same paragraph where the founding fathers talked about super majority they mentioned presidential nominations, majority — majority.

The founding fathers wanted an up or down vote and that’s basically what we’ve been crying for now for years. And I believe this, whether it is one of the new Bush’s to be president, maybe Jeb, or maybe a new Clinton, maybe Hillary, or maybe even the daughter, but whoever — whoever is president, they should have the ability to pick their team. There’s — I feel strongly about that.

We have a situation where Republicans have created gridlock — gridlock, gridlock.

And it has consequences. It’s not only bad for President Obama, it’s bad for the country.

The status quo won’t work. Now, during the time we’ve been a country — during the time we’ve been a country, until Barack Obama became president, 20 (inaudible) nominees were filibustered. During the four years that President Obama has been president, he’s already had — I’m sorry — he’s already had 16 of his nominees filibustered.

Think about that.

What they have done is just really unbelievable. And my Republican colleague, Senator McConnell, on “Meet the Press” yesterday, they asked him the logical question. They said, “What are you gonna do with Napolitano’s replacement?”

And rather than say, “We’ll move forward on that; we have some questions, but we’ll move forward on it,” he refused to tell David Gregory whether or not they would — he would allow an up-or-down vote.

Think about that.

What they have done is really untoward. The American people need to feel that we as a Senate are responsive to their challenges. They’ve carried this to the extreme.

Now, my friend, the Republican leader had others come to the floor and say, “Well, yeah, but everything’s going great. We approved this person, 97 to nothing. One person, 98 to nothing. Another 100 to nothing.”

But that’s the whole point. They don’t have anything — there’s nothing wrong with these people. There’s nothing wrong with their qualifications.

They simply want to stall what goes on.

Those people that they voted 97 to nothing, some of them we waited months. And our lead folks — that we talked — talked about today, they’ve been waiting for more than two years.

I have the 15 that are on the calendar today, their average waiting time has been nine months.

Do they have an objection against Richard Cordray, his qualifications?

Of course not. Cordray was a clerk for Judge Bork. Cordray was a clerk for Justice Kennedy. He was attorney general for the state of Ohio. There’s nothing wrong with his qualifications. They just don’t like his job. They don’t like someone who’s job, based on legislation that we passed and is signed into law, who takes a look for the consumer against the greed that happens on occasion in Wall Street.

Do they have anything personally against the two NLRB nominees?

No. One of them was Senator Kennedy’s counsel. The other was the attorney for the operating engineers. These are good people. They don’t challenge their qualifications. They — they challenge their jobs. NLRB has been in existence since the Great Depression. It works. It protects workers, not union workers, workers.

Isn’t it interesting, the focal point has been the last few months on all these people, on the secretary of labor and two NLRB posts. Do you think there’s something in that message to the American people? We’re going to do everything we can to make sure business is OK. But we’re not going to make sure that everything is OK with American workers.

Now there have been hues and cries at what I and my caucus are trying to do is going to really hurt the Senate. In the last 18 years — I’m sorry. The last 16 — the last 36 years, we’ve changed the rules by a simple majority 18 times. I’ve done it. We always do it, simple majority when things don’t work.

And if you look at what those changes were, people were just trying to be factitious and create problems. Like (ph) we did this just a little over a year ago. What had happened is after cloture had been invoked — invoked on one of those rare occasions to stop filibuster, some of the Republican senators came up with this big, great idea (inaudible). And they would file motions set aside the rules. And while it took a two-thirds majority, they knew none of them would pass. But they wanted my folks to have to vote on amendments that had nothing to do with the bill that cloture had been invoked on it.

Now I put up with this for a while. They had two or three of them. Finally — I don’t remember the exact number — they had fifteen or so (inaudible). It takes huge amounts of time and was a waste of Senate’s time. So we changed the rules. We said, “You can’t do that anymore.” That was done by a simple majority.

And that’s all we’re doing here. We’re — this does not affect life-time appointments. It doesn’t affect substantive legislation. It allows the president to have his team, for this president and those in the future. And that’s the way it should be.

My friend, Senator McConnell — and this is not — this is not McConnell (inaudible) Reid. This is my caucus is concerned about where this country is headed. But Mitch has said — said — I’m not making this up — he is the proud guardian of good law (ph). Those were his words. So I took action last week, the first Republicans to either allow these people to go through that is stop the filibuster or where gonna have to change the rule.

There is — there isn’t, as I’ve indicated, a single objection to the qualifications for any one of these people. And we need to move forward. We need to stop blocking this president and the future presidents from having a qualified team that he thinks is what he needs.

This is in the Constitution. This isn’t about Democrats versus Republicans. It’s about making Washington work, regardless of who’s in the White House. I also think that it’s clear that we should all understand that the Senate is a unique institution. It was created that way by the founding fathers.
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Old 07-16-2013, 12:14 AM   #16
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:15 AM   #17
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:28 AM   #18
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:16 AM   #19
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That's not correct. The GOP's concern at the time was judicial nominations. I believe that talk at the time suggested that the nuclear option would cover all Presidential nominations but not legislation. But that distinction isn't really important either. The important distinction is that then it was democrats trying to frustrate a Republican President and now it's Republicans frustrating a democrat president.

When Harry Reid had the opportunity to endorse filibuster reform on the basis of principle, he opposed it. Now that he can do it on the basis of partisan advantage, he's all for it.

I agree it's hypocritical. I also think it's probably the right thing to do. IMHO there's no reason to permit what has become permanent blockage of Presidential nominations by a minority party.

In the old days (not that old, like up to 20 years ago), there was the concept of Senatorial courtesy and quite alot of collegiality across the aisle. That's all dead now and all that is left is hyper-partisan vitriol. I don't think nominations should be blocked indefinitely, it's really that simple.

Are you aware that the DC Circuit Court of Appeals seat previously held by now CJ Roberts is STILL empty? It's been EIGHT years. First Democrats blocked Bush, and now Republicans are blocking Obama. It makes no sense at all, and should end.

I'd prefer to leave the system in place, but it assumes that grown ups act like grown ups, and that hasn't been the case for a long time now, and won't be the case for the foreseeable future.
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Old 07-16-2013, 07:24 AM   #20
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I agree it's hypocritical. I also think it's probably the right thing to do. IMHO there's no reason to permit what has become permanent blockage of Presidential nominations by a minority party.

In the old days (not that old, like up to 20 years ago), there was the concept of Senatorial courtesy and quite alot of collegiality across the aisle. That's all dead now and all that is left is hyper-partisan vitriol. I don't think nominations should be blocked indefinitely, it's really that simple.

Are you aware that the DC Circuit Court of Appeals seat previously held by now CJ Roberts is STILL empty? It's been EIGHT years. First Democrats blocked Bush, and now Republicans are blocking Obama. It makes no sense at all, and should end.

I'd prefer to leave the system in place, but it assumes that grown ups act like grown ups, and that hasn't been the case for a long time now, and won't be the case for the foreseeable future.
I did not know that. Its insane. Who's doing the job? No one?
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Old 07-16-2013, 08:32 AM   #21
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I agree it's hypocritical. I also think it's probably the right thing to do. IMHO there's no reason to permit what has become permanent blockage of Presidential nominations by a minority party.

In the old days (not that old, like up to 20 years ago), there was the concept of Senatorial courtesy and quite alot of collegiality across the aisle. That's all dead now and all that is left is hyper-partisan vitriol. I don't think nominations should be blocked indefinitely, it's really that simple.

Are you aware that the DC Circuit Court of Appeals seat previously held by now CJ Roberts is STILL empty? It's been EIGHT years. First Democrats blocked Bush, and now Republicans are blocking Obama. It makes no sense at all, and should end.

I'd prefer to leave the system in place, but it assumes that grown ups act like grown ups, and that hasn't been the case for a long time now, and won't be the case for the foreseeable future.
I'm open to that idea. Maybe it should change after the next presidential election.
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Gridlock? I voted for gridlock. Congress is doing exactly what it needs to...absolutely nothing. I don't trust a one of them to secure a fire hydrant.
I agree!

It's the statists among us that cry about not getting anything done.
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I did not know that. Its insane. Who's doing the job? No one?

Right. So a court that is supposed to have 11 judges (per Congress) currently has 8, as there are three vacancies, including the Roberts one. So basically they're only at about 2/3rds of the manpower (judgepower?) they're supposed to have.

The issue with the DC Circuit is that it is "first among equals," and frequently seen as a stepping stone to the Supreme Court. More SCOTUS justices come from that Circuit than any other. As a result, both parties basically just block the nominations forever unless the candidate is milquetoast.
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It's the statists among us that cry about not getting anything done.

Right, because a court that has 8 judges instead of its full complement of 11 is somehow better at doing its job.
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Right, because a court that has 8 judges instead of its full complement of 11 is somehow better at doing its job.
In addition to those 8 full time judges, there are 6 additional senior judges who are still doing substantial work (amounting to another 3.25 full timers, by one account). According to one judge:

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“I do not believe the current caseload of the D.C. Circuit or, for that matter, the anticipated caseload in the near future, merits additional judgeships at this time. . . . If any more judges were added now, there wouldn’t be enough work to go around.”
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“The Court does not need additional judges for several reasons. For starters, our docket has been stable or decreasing, as the public record manifests. Similarly, as the public record also reflects, each judge’s work product has decreased from thirty-some opinions each year in the 1990s, to twenty-some, and even fewer than twenty, opinions each year since then.”
So, as it turns out, the rush to confirm these judges is more about packing the court with Obama's people than the need to be able to process the workload.
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At this point, it seems safe to say that if Reid wants it, it's bad for me, you, America and humanity in general.
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Right, because a court that has 8 judges instead of its full complement of 11 is somehow better at doing its job.
They could knock it down to 5 and they still would have excess "judgepower" so yes, packing the court with more wasted bodies is useless and won't help them do their job.
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At this point, it seems safe to say that if Reid wants it, it's bad for me, you, America and humanity in general.
Pretty darned safe.
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