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Old 07-28-2013, 12:13 AM  
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Street Corner Preacher has his amplification equipment seized

http://www.news-leader.com/interacti...r?sf15448795=1

I get his argument. However, festivals and events have city permits. Plus, the people who live in that area live in that area for a reason. They have the right to enjoy their dwelling. You can be a couple of blocks away and hear this guy. If it's something you don't want to hear, then that is disturbing. It's different if it was only customers, but the complaints come from citizens who live in the area. Without the amplification, he has no voice? You can still say what you want to say. If people want to stop and listen, they can. If they don't, it's nice to be able to walk a block or two away and not have to hear you. Knowing how conservative many in the justice system seem to be, I can totally see this guy winning.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:19 AM   #2
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http://www.news-leader.com/interacti...r?sf15448795=1

I get his argument. However, festivals and events have city permits. Plus, the people who live in that area live in that area for a reason. They have the right to enjoy their dwelling. You can be a couple of blocks away and hear this guy. If it's something you don't want to hear, then that is disturbing. It's different if it was only customers, but the complaints come from citizens who live in the area. Without the amplification, he has no voice? You can still say what you want to say. If people want to stop and listen, they can. If they don't, it's nice to be able to walk a block or two away and not have to hear you. Knowing how conservative many in the justice system seem to be, I can totally see this guy winning.
Jesus didn't use amplification.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:26 AM   #3
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Thank heavens, i was afraid they had hassled this awesome guy, he accosted me and a buddy one day singing about "motha nature, motha nature, rainbows aint just for childreeen!"

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Old 07-28-2013, 07:25 AM   #4
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We have a couple of guys with amplification equipment of Sundays preaching and reading the bible on a couple of semi-busy corners in a poorer neighborhood.

It's ****ing hot and they are out in a suit. No one is really paying attention. I thing they are nuts but I can respect their effort and passion. This is some old school free speech.
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Old 07-28-2013, 08:24 AM   #5
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Thank heavens, i was afraid they had hassled this awesome guy, he accosted me and a buddy one day singing about "motha nature, motha nature, rainbows aint just for childreeen!"

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Old 07-28-2013, 10:13 AM   #6
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I think the OP is right on.

Every government has to deal with the delicate balance between religious expression and the broader interests of the population.

Constitutionally, you can only restrict this corner preacher's expression if you have a compelling reason to do so.

I think this is a fair judgment call, generally.
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:16 AM   #7
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We have a couple of guys with amplification equipment of Sundays preaching and reading the bible on a couple of semi-busy corners in a poorer neighborhood.

It's ****ing hot and they are out in a suit. No one is really paying attention. I thing they are nuts but I can respect their effort and passion. This is some old school free speech.
Is it still freedom of speech if local residents complain about the noise?
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:21 AM   #8
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Is it still freedom of speech if local residents complain about the noise?
Judgment call, really. I think a reasonable argument can be made both ways.

You can restrict freedom of speech for any number of reasons:

1. if that speech creates danger (i.e. threats or yelling "fire" in a theatre)
2. supporting overthrow of the government
3. "obscenity"
4. any other compelling reason by the general population
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Old 07-28-2013, 10:25 AM   #9
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:32 AM   #10
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Judgment call, really. I think a reasonable argument can be made both ways.

You can restrict freedom of speech for any number of reasons:

1. if that speech creates danger (i.e. threats or yelling "fire" in a theatre)
2. supporting overthrow of the government
3. "obscenity"
4. any other compelling reason by the general population
Well, I know him doing that diminishes my enjoyment of downtown while he's there. Not because I feel guilty, but because he's annoying.
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Old 07-28-2013, 11:45 AM   #11
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I get he may be annoying to some, but if he is playing by the rules as he said in the article then Springfield has a problem. Also the lack of a receipt for property is not the normal operating procedure for most police departments. I am basing this on what is said in the article, so who knows what really happened. I think the ACLU will have a field day with this case.
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Old 07-28-2013, 12:17 PM   #12
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I think the OP is right on.

Every government has to deal with the delicate balance between religious expression and the broader interests of the population.

Constitutionally, you can only restrict this corner preacher's expression if you have a compelling reason to do so.

I think this is a fair judgment call, generally.
As long as they take megaphones away from future occupy nut jobs as well, I'm OK with it.


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Old 07-28-2013, 02:03 PM   #13
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I think the OP is right on.

Every government has to deal with the delicate balance between religious expression and the broader interests of the population.

Constitutionally, you can only restrict this corner preacher's expression if you have a compelling reason to do so.

I think this is a fair judgment call, generally.
His freedom of expression has nothing to do with the artificially high volume at which he does it. He doesn't have a right to make sure he's heard two blocks away.

The govt can't restrict the message. Within reason, they can impose restrictions on time (example: shouting in the middle of the night), place (ex: middle of the street) and method (ex: amplification).
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Old 07-28-2013, 03:00 PM   #14
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His freedom of expression has nothing to do with the artificially high volume at which he does it. He doesn't have a right to make sure he's heard two blocks away.

The govt can't restrict the message. Within reason, they can impose restrictions on time (example: shouting in the middle of the night), place (ex: middle of the street) and method (ex: amplification).
My understanding of the article is that there are restrictions in place and he has been following them. The cure is to make tougher/lower restrictions to decibels in public. Until then he has the argument that it is message related.
Once again just based on what I read.
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Old 07-28-2013, 05:02 PM   #15
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Cut it out. She has the right to start a thread like anyone else.
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