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Old 07-30-2013, 09:36 AM  
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:02 PM   #136
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I'm sorry, I disagree.

Not only does it matter where guys were chosen because of their contracts, it also matters because of expectations.

Teams expect first round players to perform like first round players. They don't expect sixth round players to perform like first round players.

There are built-in expectations for each and every player drafted. Whether they fail to meet those expectations or exceed them remains to be seen.
exactly, otherwise, what's the point of having the #1 pick if it doesn't matter where a player is picked? Yes, hindsight is 20/20 but there's a reason teams are alloted draft slots based on the previous season's performance. It gives a losing franchise a much better chance to bring talent in when you have "first pick" or first dibs on talent. This is just basic math. There are always going to be players who exceed expectations (Joe Montana was drafted in the 3rd round I believe) and players who dissappoint based on where they were drafted (Blackledge). But going INTO a draft, a team can only take they players it feels gives the the best opportunity to win.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:04 PM   #137
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I only care about how well Alex Smith plays. I dont care one bit how Geno Smith plays.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:07 PM   #138
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I only care about how well Alex Smith plays. I dont care one bit how Geno Smith plays.
I'm more interested in Smith than Smith.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:10 PM   #139
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And what I'm saying is that failing to meet those expectations, or exceeding them, is ultimately what defines the value of a draft pick.
Of course. But today, we don't have the benefit of hindsight. All we have are the scouting reports and draft positions.

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It's pretty simple, you're taking the fact that Geno Smith was drafted 39th (a whopping 7 picks later than Drew Brees...) as a justification for writing him off as a player. Which you are clearly doing when you posit he might at best become an "average to above average player". You're defining him by the position in which he was drafted.
Wait just a second: How is saying that he might become an average to above average player "writing him off"? How many second round QB's have become exceptional players in NFL history?

With a bust rate of 50% or more, I'd say that "average to above average" is a compliment.

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Whereas I'm saying there's little to no point in quantifying a player now.
So, everyone's at zero? No one should have any expectations for Eric Fisher or Knile Davis or even Geno Smith?

Again, I disagree. There are expectations based on draft position. You expect the number one overall pick to excel. You expect the #10 overall pick to excel. That's why they were chosen where they were chosen.

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If, in say 5 years, Smith's bagging groceries at Kroger, then I will certainly agree with the "whew we dodged a bullet there!" sentiment. Similarly, if he's one of, say, the top 10 QBs in the league, I'll probably think something along the lines of "man, I wish we had that guy".
I really don't care about that, at all. I didn't view Smith as an NFL ready prospect and neither did 31 other teams at least once. If he develops into an average to above average QB, good for him. But his career, at this point time, has absolutely no bearing on the 2013 Chiefs.

And that's all I really care about.

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In any event, all I can really think right now is "man, I wish we hadn't traded those picks for Alex Smith, because I don't think he's proven himself to be anything more than a complementary player reliant upon those around him, rather than a leader capable of elevating the play of his team mates" on one hand and "I wonder how Tyler Bray will turn out, probably nothing" on the other, with the occasional distant wonder at how Geno Smith is doing with the Jets.

(And I hate the Jets, so I have definite mixed feelings there. Part of me hopes he continues the Sanchez bomb trend so that team can stay in the sewers.)
And I don't really care about the "picks". First off, the Chiefs were bound to use a draft choice on a QB. From my point of view, they did that - they used one draft choice on a QB. They used a future draft choice for the right to get the QB they wanted.

I have no idea whether it works or not. But I can guarantee that I won't spend one minute thinking about Geno Smith or lament the Chiefs passing on him if he becomes more than a serviceable NFL QB.
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At this point I wouldn't automatically put Denver over Houston. They did go into Denver and beat them last year.

As a whole, Houston is just as talented as any team in the AFC. Of course Schaub needs to to step it up in the playoffs, like Dalton.

I think the Bengals and Texans will be among the AFC's elite. Wouldn't be surprised to see those 2 and the Broncos with the top 3 seeds.
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:41 PM   #141
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The league passed on Brees due to his height and his play in the Spread.

The league passed on Geno Smith because of his lack of leadership skills, lack of charisma and lack of maturity.

According to the league, those were reason enough to pass on him in the first round. That doesn't mean that he won't develop into an average to above average QB.
According to BET it was only because hes black
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Old 07-30-2013, 05:52 PM   #143
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And to think that the Cheating Donx were in shambles 3 seasons ago. If you know what you're doing you can turn things around quickly. I think we now know that Elway is much better at running things than Fat Scott was...
Without Manning hes no better than Scott so far.
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Without Manning hes no better than Scott so far.
Worse.
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People still pissed off that Geno Smith wasn't taken number 1 overall?
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Old 07-30-2013, 06:42 PM   #148
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According to BET it was only because hes black
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Can you believe this race Victim BS?
That's about the most uninformed commentary I've read as to why Smith dropped. And to imply (if not outright state) that Russell Wilson dropped because he was black? What?

He dropped because he is 5'11, not because he was black. That guy knows nothing about football.

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Wait. What? Cam Newton's not black?
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