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Old 08-02-2013, 12:41 AM  
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:13 AM   #76
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I don't understand the people who see Hillary as a shoe in for 2016. She had everything aligned for her in 2008 and she couldn't even get her party's nomination. Approaching 2016, Republicans are less unpopular than they were then, democrats have been terrible leaders over the intervening 8 years, and to the extent Hillary made a splash as SecState, it was for failure and involvement in scandal.

I'll be a little surprised if she even runs, but I'll be really surprised if she gets the nomination.
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:22 AM   #77
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I don't understand the people who see Hillary as a shoe in for 2016. She had everything aligned for her in 2008 and she couldn't even get her party's nomination. Approaching 2016, Republicans are less unpopular than they were then, democrats have been terrible leaders over the intervening 8 years, and to the extent Hillary made a splash as SecState, it was for failure and involvement in scandal.

I'll be a little surprised if she even runs, but I'll be really surprised if she gets the nomination.
Was just listening to ABC's Sunday morning. They touched on Wiener (pun intended) and if his scandal would rub off on Hillary. Didn't even mention her real obstacles like Benghazi or running an Animal House Stated Department.

It's apparent she's the MSM's poster child in 2016. I think she lost to Obama because the public was looking for something new. If democrats were smart they'd look for a fresh candidate instead of tapping in to their old crony system of quid pro quo.
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Old 08-04-2013, 08:34 AM   #78
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Unfortunately, it is currently the only way to win a primary with our messed up system.

Even if Romney had some personality issues, if he wasn't forced by the religious right to take a firm stance on abortion, birth control, gay marriage, and immigration (4 issues I think Romney was very hesitant to take a stance on), this would have been a different election. We were in the middle of an economic crisis with a President who independents believed was shaky in handling it, yet the base insisted on taking on unpopular positions (most of which were social positions that are small potatoes). That's why the conservative party is struggling, not because they are moving too progressively. A Republican candidate that took a moderate stance on those social issues would have destroyed Obama among independent voters.

93% of Republican voters voted for Romney, and most of Hussein's edge was based on lies and manipulation by the MSM...Just a few quick facts:

Men backed Romney (52-45 percent), and married men backed him by an even wider margin (60-38 percent).

Romney was successful in energizing his base: conservatives accounted for 35 percent of all voters today, one-point higher than in 2008. And he captured 82 percent of them (McCain got 78 percent). White born-again Christians made up 26 percent of the voters today and 78 percent favored Romney (for McCain it was 74 percent).

In addition, white Catholics went for Romney by a margin of 59-40 percent. This is a group that has historically backed the winner.

About four voters in 10 say Obama’s response to Hurricane Sandy was important to their vote (42 percent), and they backed the president by a better than two-to-one margin.

Fifteen percent said it was the “most important” factor in their vote.

Un-****ing-believable.


You can't fix stupid. As long as huge urban areas like Detroit and Philadelphia, for "some" reason, decide to back Hussein-like candidates by a margin of 100% to 0%, there can be no Republican victory.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2b0jmbxZd

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Old 08-04-2013, 09:00 AM   #79
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I think [Hillary] lost to Obama because the public was looking for something new.
I think Hillary lost in the primary because she's a bitter old white woman, and was running against a smiling comparatively young black man.

Obviously, we know now that it was all packaging, this is a deeply arrogant man with no leadership ability and who had no qualifications whatsoever, and whose performance reflects that. He is certainly not "a different kind of politician", he's probably the most divisive, cynical and partisan politician we've seen in a generation.

I do think a lot of people loved the idea of being able to say they voted for a black guy for president, the same way people from an earlier generation would say with pride that they voted for Kennedy because he's since been deified. For many it was just wanting to "be a part of history."

I hope you guys are right, that voters won't fall for basically the same kind of marketing machine that makes pop stars famous for no reason, but I'm really not optimistic. There are enough people hooked on government money in one way or another and who know which side will likely give them more.

How do you make the argument to someone who's used to that, that it's unsustainable and the country needs more than half of us to support ourselves? It's a pretty hard sell when there still aren't any jobs, 8 years later, for most of these people and the entitlement culture has, say, burger flippers demanding $15 an hour.

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Old 08-04-2013, 09:26 AM   #80
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I think Hillary lost in the primary because she's a bitter old white woman, and was running against a smiling comparatively young black man.

Obviously, we know now that it was all packaging, this is a deeply arrogant man with no leadership ability and who had no qualifications whatsoever, and whose performance reflects that. He is certainly not "a different kind of politician", he's probably the most divisive, cynical and partisan politician we've seen in a generation.

I do think a lot of people loved the idea of being able to say they voted for a black guy for president, the same way people from an earlier generation would say with pride that they voted for Kennedy because he's since been deified. For many it was just wanting to "be a part of history."
And they reaped what they sowed.



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I hope you guys are right, that voters won't fall for basically the same kind of marketing machine that makes pop stars famous for no reason, but I'm really not optimistic. There are enough people hooked on government money in one way or another and who know which side will likely give them more.

How do you make the argument to someone who's used to that, that it's unsustainable and the country needs more than half of us to support ourselves? It's a pretty hard sell when there still aren't any jobs, 8 years later, for most of these people and the entitlement culture has, say, burger flippers demanding $15 an hour.

And that's the whole thing right there.

The longer it goes on, the more people think it's the norm. And the parasites will keep demanding more and more from the producers and achievers until it becomes impossible to squeeze any more blood out of the turnip.

Then, the system collapses and a certain slice of the political spectrum that is now hiding in the shadows, leaps out to offer their "assistance" in putting the country back together.
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Old 08-04-2013, 09:35 AM   #81
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93% of Republican voters voted for Romney, and most of Hussein's edge was based on lies and manipulation by the MSM...Just a few quick facts:

Men backed Romney (52-45 percent), and married men backed him by an even wider margin (60-38 percent).

Romney was successful in energizing his base: conservatives accounted for 35 percent of all voters today, one-point higher than in 2008. And he captured 82 percent of them (McCain got 78 percent). White born-again Christians made up 26 percent of the voters today and 78 percent favored Romney (for McCain it was 74 percent).

In addition, white Catholics went for Romney by a margin of 59-40 percent. This is a group that has historically backed the winner.

About four voters in 10 say Obama’s response to Hurricane Sandy was important to their vote (42 percent), and they backed the president by a better than two-to-one margin.

Fifteen percent said it was the “most important” factor in their vote.

Un-****ing-believable.


You can't fix stupid. As long as huge urban areas like Detroit and Philadelphia, for "some" reason, decide to back Hussein-like candidates by a margin of 100% to 0%, there can be no Republican victory.


Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...#ixzz2b0jmbxZd
He also lost a significant share of female, gay rights, and pro-immigration voters by being forced to take a hardline on issues that he clearly didn't want to get involved in. The guys running the GOP are absolutely clueless.

Romney could have taken a soft stance on these issues without completely alienating those opponents. He could have swayed enough of the independents who have interest in those issues to make a serious dent in those numbers. Instead, he was forced to alienate all those bases. For issues that really don't even matter that much.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:55 AM   #82
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It's apparent she's the MSM's poster child in 2016. I think she lost to Obama because the public was looking for something new. If democrats were smart they'd look for a fresh candidate instead of tapping in to their old crony system of quid pro quo.
If only they could produce a new, fresh candidate like Dole, McCain, or Romney.
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Old 08-04-2013, 10:57 AM   #83
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If only they could produce a new, fresh candidate like Dole, McCain, or Romney.
Agreed. The same goes for the republicans.
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Old 08-04-2013, 11:01 AM   #84
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most of Hussein's edge was based on lies and manipulation by the MSM
There's a whole lot of stupidity packed into that statement.

You called him Hussein! That's so hilarious!
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And that's the whole thing right there.

The longer it goes on, the more people think it's the norm. And the parasites will keep demanding more and more from the producers and achievers until it becomes impossible to squeeze any more blood out of the turnip.

Then, the system collapses and a certain slice of the political spectrum that is now hiding in the shadows, leaps out to offer their "assistance" in putting the country back together.
The sense of entitlement is what Democrats pay their bills with. Unfortunately we have lost the conversation on whether cellphones or internet access are basic human rights (and all the other entitlements, etc), or basically, any concept that people should have to pay their own way.

The only thing I can think of that is going to change this is if there were a new Great Depression, or something of that order. Not a normal recession like we've just had. It would take something really catastrophic to change people's perspectives on entitlement and what's really important like it did in the 30s.

If people were waiting in soup lines just to stay alive, many of them would jump at the chance to work again. Of course, that's only the ignition and won't sustain things long-term, but there has to be some mental game changer.

But even that is not a sure thing. Look at Greece. The entire country is bankrupt, the economic collapse comes, and... people still riot in the streets demanding they get theirs, that "theirs" be conjured out of thin air, or at least out of the pockets of Germany. They still don't get it.

As long as a relative few, i.e. the Democratic hegemony, continue to keep themselves in their positions in the party at the expense of everyone else, and continue marketing on this basis and winning the conversation in the media and the street that we shouldn't basically expect people to support themselves, I can't see how it will change.
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The sense of entitlement is what Democrats pay their bills with. Unfortunately we have lost the conversation on whether cellphones or internet access are basic human rights (and all the other entitlements, etc), or basically, any concept that people should have to pay their own way.

The only thing I can think of that is going to change this is if there were a new Great Depression, or something of that order. Not a normal recession like we've just had. It would take something really catastrophic to change people's perspectives on entitlement and what's really important like it did in the 30s.

If people were waiting in soup lines just to stay alive, many of them would jump at the chance to work again. Of course, that's only the ignition and won't sustain things long-term, but there has to be some mental game changer.

But even that is not a sure thing. Look at Greece. The entire country is bankrupt, the economic collapse comes, and... people still riot in the streets demanding they get theirs, that "theirs" be conjured out of thin air, or at least out of the pockets of Germany. They still don't get it.

As long as a relative few, i.e. the Democratic hegemony, continue to keep themselves in their positions in the party at the expense of everyone else, and continue marketing on this basis and winning the conversation in the media and the street that we shouldn't basically expect people to support themselves, I can't see how it will change.
Spot on. Depressing but spot on.
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I don't understand the people who see Hillary as a shoe in for 2016. She had everything aligned for her in 2008 and she couldn't even get her party's nomination. Approaching 2016, Republicans are less unpopular than they were then, democrats have been terrible leaders over the intervening 8 years, and to the extent Hillary made a splash as SecState, it was for failure and involvement in scandal.

I'll be a little surprised if she even runs, but I'll be really surprised if she gets the nomination.
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