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Old 07-29-2013, 02:54 PM  
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Burger flippers want $15/hour

Like this will happen.

http://fox4kc.com/2013/07/29/kansas-...-minimum-wage/



KANSAS CITY, Mo. — Fifteen dollars an hour. That’s how much some fast food and retail workers say they deserve to make an hour. On Monday protests will happen in seven U.S. cities including Kansas City to push for the change.

The workers planning to protest say they want economic dignity. They say that means livable wages, benefits and humane working conditions. They say they can’t live or support their families on what they’re making.

Rallies are planned in Kansas City as well as New York City, Chicago, St. Louis, Washington D.C. and other cities.

Some workers say they plan to walk off the job in a one-day strike. Famed civil rights leader Reverend CT Vivian will lead Monday night’s events. Vivian worked alongside Dr. Martin Luther King Junior and has provided civil rights counsel to several presidents including presidents Reagan, Clinton and Obama.

Industry representatives say they can’t afford to pay employees more. They say most fast food restaurants operate on a meager profit margin making it impossible to increase wages.
Most fast food and retail workers make minimum wage. In Kansas that’s 7.25. In Missouri it’s 7.35. So 15 dollars would be more than double their current pay.

Monday’s rally starts at 6:30 at the Metropolitan Missionary Baptist Church in Kansas City Missouri.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:53 AM   #526
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Hey look another Strawman. I must really get to you.
Not really. He's mocking you, using your own argument. Just the amount is different but the principle or gist of your argument is the SAME.
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:56 AM   #527
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And they would have to do a lot more than flip burgers.....
They'd have to be capable of writing a paper on how flipping burgers contributes to both the owner's bottom line, the national and local economy economy. If a science major, they'd have to write an equation for the physics of flipping one of those sucka's!

Bazinga!
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Old 08-06-2013, 08:58 AM   #528
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That is nice. But it doesn't tell us the picture for the whole economy.

63 percent of minimum wage earners are not teenagers.

The average age of fast food workers is 32.
There's no such thing as a whole economy. That's the macro approach which is more socialist. An economy of a nation our size can't be put into one big pot stirred around and averaged. Economies are varied across regions and locales. They are micros. Well, except where we have federal central planning, the Federal Reserve and banking cartels.

So now tell me, are these 32 year olds illegal aliens or immigrants. Because if so, these guys band together in housing, work hard and then move on up higher later. Or are they part-time workers, retired workers or moms?
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:02 AM   #529
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Hi, everyone. I'm new to this thread so it's probably already been discussed, but in a perfect world it seems like you'd have the following flow of money.

1. Fed passes significant hourly wage increase.
2. Employers pay more.
3. Employers pass cost to consumer.
4. Employees get bigger paychecks.
5. Employees no longer get earned income tax credits, food stamps, TANF, etc.
6. Fed treasury gets boost from #5.
7. Fed cuts taxes due to #6.
8. Consumers pay lower taxes to offset #3.

Overall, it theoretically should be neutral to consumers and neutral to employees and neutral to employers. The only difference is that government benefit programs get smaller, which is a good thing. Of course there'll be some individual winners and losers based on various eligibility things, but I'm talking big picture.

The real world problem is that there's no way #7 occurs. That money will instead just disappear into the gaping maw of government and will fund stuff like ever-bigger public pensions and fleets of new Ford Crown Victorias. If you can make #7 work, then it should be a positive thing to raise the minimum wage.

Let me know if I'm missing something.
Good write-up! I'd add no one can predict #3 perfectly. Since, no one can predict an economy perfectly. ( But one can predict some of the fall-out from Fed interventions and policies. Including the actions of the Fed Reserve. Just not all the unintended consequences.)
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:04 AM   #530
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Raising price makes you less competitive and immediately lowers demand for your product.

Two bad things in a free market economy.

You cannot escape that fact.

So, I take it from this post you don't have a solution for wage stagnation and working poor being on government assistance. Typical, you never have solutions.
You don't know what you are talking about. Your economic basics are solidly absent. EPIC FAIL again!

As to a solution, mine is and always has been this is not the federal govt's business, so I don't need one. You still
haven't understood my position. The market should work it out to its best advantage. I am fine with that. You're not.
You're a Prog who likes to use politics to control outcomes for social justice reasons and/or sympathy.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:05 AM   #531
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It's a pretty simple test....

The burger flippers on strike... Could you quickly hire good replacements who would gladly flip burgers at the same wage? If the answer is yes, then the wage is not too low.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:06 AM   #532
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And a bank teller is different from a cashier how?
Are you serious or do you really not understand how a burger flipper is different from a bank teller?
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:08 AM   #533
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It's a pretty simple test....

The burger flippers on strike... Could you quickly hire good replacements who would gladly flip burgers at the same wage? If the answer is yes, then the wage is not too low.
Excellent post!

There's a glimmer of hope for you zilla.
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:10 AM   #534
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It's a pretty simple test....

The burger flippers on strike... Could you quickly hire good replacements who would gladly flip burgers at the same wage? If the answer is yes, then the wage is not too low.

Boom.

Simple logic.

A lot of fast food places pay about 10 bucks an hour , i see the same people working there ......for like a year at a time ....or longer....I think they must be semi happy with their jobs...many of the chain places have opportunities to advance if you work hard...from what I understand..


I'm not opposed to studying the impacts of raising minimum wage, but 10 bucks is pretty decent for an unskilled high school/part time type thing, IMO, to learn how to work etc...
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Old 08-06-2013, 09:33 AM   #535
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:06 PM   #536
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Hi, everyone. I'm new to this thread so it's probably already been discussed, but in a perfect world it seems like you'd have the following flow of money.

1. Fed passes significant hourly wage increase.
2. Employers pay more.
3. Employers pass cost to consumer.
4. Employees get bigger paychecks.
5. Employees no longer get earned income tax credits, food stamps, TANF, etc.
6. Fed treasury gets boost from #5.
7. Fed cuts taxes due to #6.
8. Consumers pay lower taxes to offset #3.

Overall, it theoretically should be neutral to consumers and neutral to employees and neutral to employers. The only difference is that government benefit programs get smaller, which is a good thing. Of course there'll be some individual winners and losers based on various eligibility things, but I'm talking big picture.

The real world problem is that there's no way #7 occurs. That money will instead just disappear into the gaping maw of government and will fund stuff like ever-bigger public pensions and fleets of new Ford Crown Victorias. If you can make #7 work, then it should be a positive thing to raise the minimum wage.

Let me know if I'm missing something.
This is absolutely, completely, and categorically untrue.

The Crown Vic was discontinued two years ago.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:14 PM   #537
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It's a pretty simple test....

The burger flippers on strike... Could you quickly hire good replacements who would gladly flip burgers at the same wage? If the answer is yes, then the wage is not too low.
I know that there are busses provided specifically to transport workers from other communities to fast food in wealthy areas such as Metcalf because local workforce don't need the jobs even at $10+@/hr.
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Old 08-06-2013, 10:19 PM   #538
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medical professionals only make 30,000 a year? And a bank teller is different from a cashier how?

And what point are you trying to make with this? That more people not living off of government assistance is bad because you want people you feel are below you to earn less money then yourself?
Why does it have to be about better/lesser? How about you don't want people making as much or more money than you while not working as hard or expertly. At it's logical extension, those show/no-work positions Tony's crew 'negotiated' with construction projects. No doubt the construction grunts recognized that those fat eye-ties sitting at the edge of the parking lot tanning themselves are more prosperous than they and probably enjoy more social acclaim, doesn't mean he swells with egalitarian pride that those poor eye-ties are getting a 'living wage.'
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Old 08-07-2013, 02:06 AM   #539
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Are you serious or do you really not understand how a burger flipper is different from a bank teller?

What is the difference exactly? Is it kinda like cops that think they aren't working customer service? A bank teller isn't under the same speed bind that most cooks are.
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Excellent post!

There's a glimmer of hope for you zilla.
Why does the fast food industry have a high turnover? They don't want to pay shit. I got frustrated at Wal Mart yesterday and just went off on this woman about how long it took to get my damn laptop. I feel bad about it in the end, she is at least at work.
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