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Old 08-06-2013, 08:05 AM  
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Peace and freedom minded Whistleblower exposes US ability to snoop on al Qaeda leader

Leak of Zawahiri Intercepts Damages U.S. Security

6:04 PM, AUG 5, 2013 • BY STEPHEN F. HAYES

The closure of nearly two dozen U.S. embassies over the weekend came after the U.S. government intercepted communications between Ayman al Zawahiri, the leader of al Qaeda, and Nasir al Wuhayshi, the leader of the terror group’s most dangerous affiliate, al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, according to reports from McClatchy news service and the New York Times.

There are two pieces of news there. The reason for the shuttering the embassies is interesting, of course. But the far more significant development is the disclosure of the fact that the U.S. government intercepted communications that included some of those to or from Zawahiri. It seems clear that however Zawahiri and Wuhayshi were communicating, they won’t likely be in touch the same way again. As a result, the United States stands to lose access to realtime intelligence from one or both of these top al Qaeda leaders.

In a story published Sunday, McClatchy reported on the source of the intelligence. “An official who had been briefed on the matter in Sanaa, the Yemeni capital, said the embassy closings and travel advisory were the result of an intercepted communication between Nasir al-Wuhayshi, the head of the Yemen-based al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, and al-Qaida leader Ayman al Zawahiri in which Zawahiri gave ‘clear orders’ to al-Wuhaysi, who was recently named al Qaida's general manager, to carry out an attack. The official, however, said he could not divulge details of the plot.”

In a story posted Monday, the New York Times reported much the same information and revealed that the paper had initially withheld details of the intercepts.

In an article posted on the web on Friday and published on Saturday, the identities of the Qaeda leaders whose conversations were intercepted were witheld by the New York Times at the request of senior American intelligence officials. The names were disclosed Sunday by McClatchy Newspapers, and after the government became aware of the article, it dropped its objections to the Times’s publishing the same information.

The decision to close the embassies has proven controversial, with some critics alleging that the U.S. has assumed a defensive posture not warranted by the intelligence – or at least what's publicly known of it – and others wondering whether the far-reaching action is being used to justify the continuation of the NSA programs much in the news over the past several weeks. Many of the embassy closings have been extended and U.S. intelligence officials insist that the threat is real and immediate.

Whatever comes of these warnings, and we downplay them are our peril, the disclosure of the fact that the U.S. government issued them because of intercepted communications between al Qaeda leaders necessarily makes us less secure.

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Old 08-06-2013, 11:23 AM   #46
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Is the government spying on you?
They absolutely are. The only question is to what extent.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:26 AM   #47
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As I said, he leaked specific METHODS, such as XKeyscore. You and AQ weren't aware of the methodology used until the details of the program's existence was leaked by Snowden. The result of that leak has lead to AQ changing the way they communicate.
Right. I doubt that Snowden is lying about the capabilities and methods of our NSA, and if he's not, he's tipping our enemies off in a way that benefits them. But I'm skeptical of his claims about the domestic applications.

Americans have a right to draw lines of privacy across which the government will not cross and they have a legitimate interest in effective oversight to insure that those lines aren't crossed, but those are things that must be accomplished through Congressional representation.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:27 AM   #48
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Maybe you should try reading the article, redcoat...this doesn't have a thing in the world to do with Snowden.

Your sarcasm meter is as broken as the rest of your thought processes.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:28 AM   #49
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Right. I doubt that Snowden is lying about the capabilities and methods of our NSA, and if he's not, he's tipping our enemies off in a way that benefits them. But I'm skeptical of his claims about the domestic applications.

Americans have a right to draw lines of privacy across which the government will not cross and they have a legitimate interest in effective oversight to insure that those lines aren't crossed, but those are things that must be accomplished through Congressional representation.
So he only released the info as a terrorist sympathizer? that's about as funny as it gets.
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You don't even know that Snowden leaked any secrets that threaten our security.

Not only do we know that, we also know that it is virtually certain that Russian and Chinese spy agencies are going to gain access to everything he carried off with him, whether he intends it or not.

He's a deadly combination of traitor and idiot who is overconfidnet in his abilities.
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Not only do we know that, we also know that it is virtually certain that Russian and Chinese spy agencies are going to gain access to everything he carried off with him, whether he intends it or not.

He's a deadly combination of traitor and idiot who is overconfidnet in his abilities.
Maybe our government shouldn't have been spying on us then.
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Old 08-06-2013, 11:34 AM   #52
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Not only do we know that, we also know that it is virtually certain that Russian and Chinese spy agencies are going to gain access to everything he carried off with him, whether he intends it or not.

He's a deadly combination of traitor and idiot who is overconfidnet in his abilities.
Yep. I wouldn't feel as strongly about his actions if he'd not fled the country, particularly to HK and then friggin Russia...
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They absolutely are. The only question is to what extent.
How do we know that they are spying on us in a way that we don't already know about? For example, income tax returns, normal law enforcement investigations, electric utility monitoring, bank activity monitoring, etc.
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Right. I doubt that Snowden is lying about the capabilities and methods of our NSA, and if he's not, he's tipping our enemies off in a way that benefits them. But I'm skeptical of his claims about the domestic applications.

Americans have a right to draw lines of privacy across which the government will not cross and they have a legitimate interest in effective oversight to insure that those lines aren't crossed, but those are things that must be accomplished through Congressional representation.
I agree, but how do we elect representatives based on their positions on programs we don't know exist?
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As I said, he leaked specific METHODS, such as XKeyscore. You and AQ weren't aware of the methodology used until the details of the program's existence was leaked by Snowden. The result of that leak has lead to AQ changing the way they communicate.

What's worse is that Snowden took a computer with detailed information through China and Russia. You can bet your ass that Chinese and Russian agencies have or soon will have information regarding data collection methods which:

1. can be used to thwart our efforts as to them, and

2. they can use on others, improving their own methodology.

Snowden is a ****ing epic disaster, not because he ratted out that the government was spying on us -- that part wasn't a big deal in terms of hurting our national security -- but because he gave some of the keys to the kingdom to our enemies, and not just Al Queda.
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How do we know that they are spying on us in a way that we don't already know about? For example, income tax returns, normal law enforcement investigations, electric utility monitoring, bank activity monitoring, etc.
We rely on whistle blowers.
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Maybe our government shouldn't have been spying on us then.

There were two million ways to get that information out. He chose the way that ****ed the USA the hardest. **** him. In all seriousness, he's lucky we're not Russia or else he would've eaten some Polonium 210, and in all seriousness I wouldn't give a **** if he did.
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So he only released the info as a terrorist sympathizer? that's about as funny as it gets.
No, I'm sure he thought he was doing something noble. Unfortunately, he damaged the country in the process. Reasonable people can disagree on how far the NSA should go in their efforts to collect foreign intelligence and on what level of control is adequate to safeguard the privacy of Americans, but individuals cannot be allowed to decide for themselves whether classified information should be released to the public.
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JFC, Justin Raimondo has had many visits from the govt for just his views. The FBI admits that 99% of reports that are investigated turn out false. Yeah! We live in a free country. NOPE! We live in a police state.

The fact that you've been posting this absurd bullshit for years and have never been investigated by the cops, much less had them knock down your door and drag you to a gulag, disproves your stupid statement.
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