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Old 08-08-2013, 10:40 PM  
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The guy/gal on corner holding a sign..

Made the trip into the city this evening, had to go to a Best Buy for some new phones and the Apple store. Did dinner near the Plaza. Nice evening overall.

On the way, we saw two or three people with handwritten cardboard signs explaining in one way or another their individual plight and wanting a little financial consideration. In the car waiting for a stoplight they have numerous opportunities to plead their case.Looked like they were successful in a number of cases. I gave two of them a little help and they were appreciative.

My question for you folks who live and work in cities .....is this common in a lot of cities? What do you give them? Is it just change you have or do you give more like a 10 or a 20?

Do you think they are scamming people or are they on the up and up?
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Old 08-09-2013, 09:43 PM   #61
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I owned restaurants in Boise for 13 years. No one that came in asking if they could do something for food went away hungry. It was standing policy to give them a little something to do so they could have their pride and feed them.

The Rainbow children had their gathering nearby and I had 30+ groups in a row coming in to ask for free food. Not one offered to work, not one was fed. I now have a loathing for that group and lifestyle.

I also do not give money to pan handlers, I will offer a job occasionally but never money. BTW I've never had to find a job for one either. We will get them occasionally by the church and have given work to those.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:05 PM   #62
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I've always ignored the street corner type, especially the ones who have a smooth line or appear to be aggressively hustling. Every now and then I'll drop change to those who are in the grocery store parking lots, but I always find myself wanting to follow them in and see what they buy.

I've probably spent 10x more money on people trying to count change for their groceries at Walmart, or whatever store it may be, than I have on pan handlers. You can pretty well tell by the contents of their cart what kind of person they are and there is a higher degree of satisfaction for myself when they, be it an older lady or younger single mom, try to deny your offer but finally accepts it after you firmly insist.

I've also left cash on the counter of a couple single mothers who I know scrape by with 10-20 bucks after the bills are paid. It always feels like I'm paying for the sex though.
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:29 AM   #63
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I've "helped" lots of people over the years. Filled gas tanks, bought fast food, bought food at the grocery store, hired to do work outside the house. When I was young I would give cash, but I haven't done that in years.

I've ran into lots of con artists, probably the most common situation.
I've had people do shitty yard work for me. They'd work for 2 hours, and I would have to work another 2 hours to do the job half right.
I've spent time and money trying to "save" people that were beyond my means to help. Their situation was just so messed up it was beyond my capacity to make better beyond meeting their immediate needs. No way could I even put a dent in their problems in the long run.
On a few rare occasions, I've managed to meet the immediate needs of a few people who were genuinely needy. I didn't feel like I was getting conned, I felt I was meeting someone's genuine immediate needs, they were appreciative, and overall it was a positive experience.

The most reliable way to help the truly needy is to volunteer through organizations that do this all the time. Serving food at a mission, habitat for humanity, donating to the foodbank etc.

If you try to help somone on a one on one situation, you face long odds of making a difference in a manner that is satisfactory to you. YMMV.
pretty much this. I do volunteer work a few times every year.

I've had enough convo's to conclude most of these folks have mental health problems and don't know any other way but to self medicate. there was a time in america, when we cared for our mentally ill in facilities, but that all changed during Carter's time of POTUS when the budget was all but eliminated. nowadays, they are herded by police and "the lucrative corner" wherever that may be.

They are in every city in the US, some cities have more than others -- warmer areas host larger numbers of mentally ill "streeters".

police now use them as training aids, tasing and killing them as they see fit. a pathetic exercise in in the steps toward our corporatist goal.

There are enough classified mental conditions nowadays, anyone in otherwise perfect health can be profiled as some type of mental case by those in authority, so there's that. convergence is eminent, where we are headed.

re the OP -- I still give what I can, be it car-change, dollars, 10's, 20's... last christmas in Los Angeles I gave a young man and his gf holding baby a hundy. they did not have the signs of alcohol/hard drug abuse, just signs of mental illness.
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Old 08-10-2013, 05:54 AM   #64
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I'm pretty jaded about panhandlers, but am quite solicitous of people with non-monetary needs. I always have tools, jumper cables and a jack in my car and end up using them on someone else's behalf 3-4 x @ yr. Also pulled over several x for accidents or auto trouble, including a chick who flipped her car and a guy who was dripping flame from his exhaust pipe. Usually get the immediate problem quelled, call 911 or roadside assistance and wait around until the experts show up.

But the scammers just drain my mojo. Don't know how many times I get the 'I have a job interview in an hour and need just $2.00 to get on the bus' walking to my car in assorted parking lots. The age of credit/debit cards prove invaluable in this regard. Can't give what's reposed in some bank vault half a continent away.
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:18 AM   #65
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In the time I was sentenced to live in Fresno, the panhandler group I encountered most was the Hispanic folks who were raising money "In memory of ...."

This happened every weekend. They have family member die and go out on the street corners to raise money for a funeral or a headstone or something. And they were aggressive.

Weird stuff in Fresno.
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Old 08-10-2013, 06:47 AM   #66
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