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Old 08-29-2013, 01:54 PM  
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Oh hell. Assad may NOT have been involved? Really?

Cluster****. Thats what Obama is and what he runs. A Cluster****.

Intel. They used to gather intel to help guide a decision process. Sorta like market research. Seems Obama has his own shoot from the hip based on his media needs style that does not use Intel.

Check this shit...So we are about to cruise missile them for 3 nights of high ratings TV while our own Intel says wait up here...Assad may not be the bad guy in this gas thing after all? What?



WASHINGTON (AP) — The intelligence linking Syrian President Bashar Assad or his inner circle to an alleged chemical weapons attack is no “slam dunk,” with questions remaining about who actually controls some of Syria’s chemical weapons stores and doubts about whether Assad himself ordered the strike, U.S. intelligence officials say.

President Barack Obama declared unequivocally Wednesday that the Syrian government was responsible, while laying the groundwork for an expected U.S. military strike.

“We have concluded that the Syrian government in fact carried these out,” Obama said in an interview with “NewsHour” on PBS. “And if that’s so, then there need to be international consequences.” [...]

An intercept of Syrian military officials discussing the strike was among low-level staff, with no direct evidence tying the attack back to an Assad insider or even a senior Syrian commander, the officials said.

So while Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday that links between the attack and the Assad government are “undeniable,” U.S. intelligence officials are not so certain that the suspected chemical attack was carried out on Assad’s orders, or even completely sure it was carried out by government forces, the officials said. [...]

Another possibility that officials would hope to rule out: that stocks had fallen out of the government’s control and were deployed by rebels in a callous and calculated attempt to draw the West into the war.


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Old 09-03-2013, 10:43 PM   #91
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That's not really what this report means though. I believe we have strong confidence that this attack was launched by government forces (as opposed to rebels), based at least in part on the intercepted phone call.
Except that intercepted phone call doesn't really show that—at all. It's conjecture and some verbal sleight of hand. I read earlier it shows the opposite and it's being spun. You are too prone to buying such reports without skepticism.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:47 PM   #92
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It's an untenable situation. The best outcome is the least likely: FSA wins and, after stabilizing the country and expunging the Al Nusura Front, sets up free elections. The next best outcome is Assad retaining power. The worst is for the Islamists to help in toppling the current regime then setting up an Islamist state.

Regardless, any action should be undertaken by the entirety of the global community, not just the US.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:52 PM   #93
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The Nuremberg Standard was created by the US Government. Obama becomes a war criminal if he engages in unprovoked military aggression which is a war crime under international law. Oh wait! He is due to Libya already—a place of complete lawlessness now. Those who support Obama, particularly, by egging him on to show he's strong
( iow a bully) like his NeoCon advisors (one being Susan Rice) fall will be complicit in the same crime. Others supporting it are also complicit.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:54 PM   #94
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It's an untenable situation. The best outcome is the least likely: FSA wins and, after stabilizing the country and expunging the Al Nusura Front, sets up free elections. The next best outcome is Assad retaining power. The worst is for the Islamists to help in toppling the current regime then setting up an Islamist state.

Regardless, any action should be undertaken by the entirety of the global community, not just the US.


I don't think you could get the entire global community to agree what 2+2 is.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:55 PM   #95
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Stay out of it, period.
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Old 09-03-2013, 10:58 PM   #96
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The Nuremberg Standard was created by the US Government. Obama becomes a war criminal if he engages in unprovoked military aggression which is a war crime under international law. Oh wait! He is due to Libya already—a place of complete lawlessness now. Those who support Obama, particularly, by egging him on to show he's strong
( iow a bully) like his NeoCon advisors (one being Susan Rice) fall will be complicit in the same crime. Others supporting it are also complicit.
If you applied the Nuremberg Standard, every post-WWII American president would be hanged, not just Obama.
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Old 09-04-2013, 06:18 AM   #97
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Except that intercepted phone call doesn't really show that—at all. It's conjecture and some verbal sleight of hand. I read earlier it shows the opposite and it's being spun. You are too prone to buying such reports without skepticism.
Sure it doesn't.
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If you applied the Nuremberg Standard, every post-WWII American president would be hanged, not just Obama.
Works for me. It would be too bad about Carter, though. He's the only one who's a decent human being.
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Old 09-04-2013, 07:07 AM   #99
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Works for me. It would be too bad about Carter, though. He's the only one who's a decent human being.
I wonder how much taxpayer time and money they are going to waste digging up and hanging Reagan, Nixon, JFK, etc.
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Old 09-04-2013, 11:29 PM   #100
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Works for me. It would be too bad about Carter, though. He's the only one who's a decent human being.
He had no problem selling millions in arms to Indonesia while they conducted a genocide in East Timor.
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Actual Video Footage of Syrian REBELS Launching Chemical Weapons?

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Old 09-05-2013, 08:46 AM   #102
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If you applied the Nuremberg Standard, every post-WWII American president would be hanged, not just Obama.
Good. That's the way it should be except on the Monroe Doctrine.
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Oh how times have changed. When Clinton and Reno used CS gas- which is banned under the Paris accord- on women and children in Waco- nothing was said at all??

Now we are going to start WW3- so what is the REAL agenda here?? Because it is absolutely not about the loss of innocent lives. There are 3 million starving refuges from this war- and U.S> has pledged how much aid?
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Old 09-06-2013, 04:04 PM   #104
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Where did this come from?- nice Hollywood music too-lol
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Where did this come from?- nice Hollywood music too-lol
An alternative news site.
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