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Old 09-09-2013, 01:40 AM  
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Germans: Syria chemical weapons attack not ordered by Assad

President Bashar al-Assad did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack near Damascus that has triggered calls for US military intervention, and blocked numerous requests from his military commanders to use chemical weapons against regime opponents in recent months, a German newspaper has reported , citing unidentified, high-level national security sources.

The intelligence findings were based on phone calls intercepted by a German surveillance ship operated by the BND, the German intelligence service, and deployed off the Syrian coast, Bild am Sonntag said. The intercepted communications suggested Assad, who is accused of war crimes by the west, including foreign secretary William Hague, was not himself involved in last month's attack or in other instances when government forces have allegedly used chemical weapons.

Assad sought to exonerate himself from the August attack in which hundreds died. "There has been no evidence that I used chemical weapons against my own people," he said in an interview with CBS.

But the intercepts tended to add weight to the claims of the Obama administration and Britain and France that elements of the Assad regime, and not renegade rebel groups, were responsible for the attack in the suburb of Ghouta, Bild said.

President Barack Obama is urging the US Congress to approve military action to deter the Syrian regime from using chemical weapons and degrade its ability to pursue the two-and-a-half-year civil war against rebel forces.

But Obama is facing stiff resistance from Democrats and Republicans in the House of Representatives, who fear involvement in another Middle East war, and from Assad's main ally, Russian president Vladimir Putin, who has said any military strikes conducted without prior UN approval would be illegal.

Speaking in Paris on Sunday during a European tour to rally support for military action, John Kerry, US secretary of state, said Washington did not rule out a return to the UN security council to seek backing for military strikes, once UN inspectors have completed an on-the-ground investigation of the 21 August attack. Their report is expected by the end of the week.

Obama's main European ally, François Hollande of France, is under increasing pressure to seek a UN mandate for any military action in the face of opinion polls suggesting up to 64% of French people oppose air strikes. In a bid to gain the support of fellow EU countries, Hollande pledged at the weekend to take the UN investigatory report into consideration before acting. Hollande also suggested he might seek a UN resolution, despite previous Russian and Chinese vetoes.

"On President Hollande's comments with respect to the UN, the president (Obama), and all of us, are listening carefully to all of our friends," Kerry said after meeting Arab League ministers. "No decision has been made by the president."

"All of us agreed – not one dissenter – that Assad's deplorable use of chemical weapons, which we know killed hundreds of innocent people … this crosses an international, global red line," Kerry said.

Kerry's meeting with Arab ministers, including from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, followed talks in Lithuania with European foreign ministers, who blamed the attack in Syria on Assad but, aware of overwhelming public hostility to an attack, refused to endorse military action. Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, who faces a general election in two weeks, led the charge to caution.

Only 12 of the G20 countries which held a summit in Russia last week have backed the US position.

The German intelligence findings concerning Assad's personal role may complicate US-led efforts to persuade the international community that punitive military action is justified. They could also strengthen suspicions that Assad no longer fully controls the country's security apparatus.

Addressing a closed meeting of the German parliamentary committee last week, the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not have conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.

Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said.

Schindler added that German intelligence believed Assad would likely remain in power for some time – irrespective of any potential US-led military intervention - and that the civil war could drag on for years.

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Old 09-09-2013, 02:20 AM   #2
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Well ya, videos showing The rebels launching chemical weapons doesn't help Obama's cause either.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:31 AM   #3
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Obama's answer to this is to draw another red line in the sand. They've given Syria one week - whatever that means.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:45 AM   #4
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Well ya, videos showing The rebels launching chemical weapons doesn't help Obama's cause either.
What videos?
I’ve seen pictures but I’m pretty skeptical since the “rebels” supposedly loading chemical munitions aren’t wearing any protective gear whatsoever and they simply placed a jug on what otherwise looks like a conventional missile. Such a thing may exist but I’ve never heard of just placing a jug of chemical weapons on a conventional missile and having it disperse the chemical payload effectively enough to kill >1000 people.
From what I’ve seen/read, there isn’t much doubt that Assad’s troops launched the attack. The doubt seems to be whether his commanders took the initiative themselves or Assad himself ordered the attacks.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:48 AM   #5
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Well ya, videos showing The rebels launching chemical weapons doesn't help Obama's cause either.
I don't know if you read the article or not, but it indicates that the German intelligence on which the article is based supports the claim that government troops launched the attack.
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:55 AM   #6
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Well ya, videos showing The rebels launching chemical weapons doesn't help Obama's cause either.
I'm not saying that I know who did what, but how do you know this video shows REBELS lauching CHEMICAL weapons? How do we know the video is legit and not staged?
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Old 09-09-2013, 09:57 AM   #7
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I'm not saying that I know who did what, but how do you know this video shows REBELS lauching CHEMICAL weapons? How do we know the video is legit and not staged?
It came from InfoWars.com. You have to admit that you can't get much more credible than that. Don't you?
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:00 AM   #8
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Obama's answer to this is to draw another red line in the sand. They've given Syria one week - whatever that means.
It means. Please Assad! Help bail me out of my red line comments from a year ago.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:06 AM   #9
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It came from InfoWars.com. You have to admit that you can't get much more credible than that. Don't you?
Well, it IS a website. You have to at least admit that.
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Old 09-09-2013, 10:47 AM   #10
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It came from InfoWars.com. You have to admit that you can't get much more credible than that. Don't you?
It has nothing to do with infowars dickhead, I posted it in the other Syria thread and I don't feel like digging it out. Both sides have been accusing the other of using Chemical weapons so I don't trust either side. I do know the Christians there support Assad.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:04 PM   #12
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It has nothing to do with infowars dickhead, I posted it in the other Syria thread and I don't feel like digging it out. Both sides have been accusing the other of using Chemical weapons so I don't trust either side. I do know the Christians there support Assad.
OK, I don't know whether it was posted by you or someone else, but someone posted a supposed video of rebels launching the chemical attack and it came from infowars.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:08 PM   #13
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OK, I don't know whether it was posted by you or someone else, but someone posted a supposed video of rebels launching the chemical attack and it came from infowars.
The one I posted didn't come from there as I don't visit that site.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:16 PM   #14
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The one I posted didn't come from there as I don't visit that site.
You should probably stop going to whatever site you got yours from too. Or at least take it with a grain of salt.
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