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Old 09-09-2013, 01:40 AM  
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Germans: Syria chemical weapons attack not ordered by Assad

President Bashar al-Assad did not personally order last month's chemical weapons attack near Damascus that has triggered calls for US military intervention, and blocked numerous requests from his military commanders to use chemical weapons against regime opponents in recent months, a German newspaper has reported , citing unidentified, high-level national security sources.

The intelligence findings were based on phone calls intercepted by a German surveillance ship operated by the BND, the German intelligence service, and deployed off the Syrian coast, Bild am Sonntag said. The intercepted communications suggested Assad, who is accused of war crimes by the west, including foreign secretary William Hague, was not himself involved in last month's attack or in other instances when government forces have allegedly used chemical weapons.

Assad sought to exonerate himself from the August attack in which hundreds died. "There has been no evidence that I used chemical weapons against my own people," he said in an interview with CBS.

But the intercepts tended to add weight to the claims of the Obama administration and Britain and France that elements of the Assad regime, and not renegade rebel groups, were responsible for the attack in the suburb of Ghouta, Bild said.

President Barack Obama is urging the US Congress to approve military action to deter the Syrian regime from using chemical weapons and degrade its ability to pursue the two-and-a-half-year civil war against rebel forces.

But Obama is facing stiff resistance from Democrats and Republicans in the House of Representatives, who fear involvement in another Middle East war, and from Assad's main ally, Russian president Vladimir Putin, who has said any military strikes conducted without prior UN approval would be illegal.

Speaking in Paris on Sunday during a European tour to rally support for military action, John Kerry, US secretary of state, said Washington did not rule out a return to the UN security council to seek backing for military strikes, once UN inspectors have completed an on-the-ground investigation of the 21 August attack. Their report is expected by the end of the week.

Obama's main European ally, François Hollande of France, is under increasing pressure to seek a UN mandate for any military action in the face of opinion polls suggesting up to 64% of French people oppose air strikes. In a bid to gain the support of fellow EU countries, Hollande pledged at the weekend to take the UN investigatory report into consideration before acting. Hollande also suggested he might seek a UN resolution, despite previous Russian and Chinese vetoes.

"On President Hollande's comments with respect to the UN, the president (Obama), and all of us, are listening carefully to all of our friends," Kerry said after meeting Arab League ministers. "No decision has been made by the president."

"All of us agreed – not one dissenter – that Assad's deplorable use of chemical weapons, which we know killed hundreds of innocent people … this crosses an international, global red line," Kerry said.

Kerry's meeting with Arab ministers, including from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, followed talks in Lithuania with European foreign ministers, who blamed the attack in Syria on Assad but, aware of overwhelming public hostility to an attack, refused to endorse military action. Germany's chancellor, Angela Merkel, who faces a general election in two weeks, led the charge to caution.

Only 12 of the G20 countries which held a summit in Russia last week have backed the US position.

The German intelligence findings concerning Assad's personal role may complicate US-led efforts to persuade the international community that punitive military action is justified. They could also strengthen suspicions that Assad no longer fully controls the country's security apparatus.

Addressing a closed meeting of the German parliamentary committee last week, the BND chief Gerhard Schindler said his agency shared the US view that the attack had been launched by the regime and not the rebels. But he said the spy agency had not have conclusive evidence either way, German media reported.

Schindler said that BND had intercepted a telephone call in which a high-ranking member of Hezbollah in Lebanon told the Iranian embassy in Damascus that Assad had made a big mistake when he gave the order to use the chemicals, the magazine Der Spiegel said.

Schindler added that German intelligence believed Assad would likely remain in power for some time – irrespective of any potential US-led military intervention - and that the civil war could drag on for years.

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Old 09-09-2013, 12:19 PM   #16
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You should probably stop going to whatever site you got yours from too. Or at least take it with a grain of salt.
I take what our government says with a grain of salt, all they do is lie and it's been like that for a while. I know you think that a pathological liar isn't really a liar but I see things a little differently.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:21 PM   #17
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Just FYI but none of those three things is a chemical weapon.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:22 PM   #18
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Just FYI but none of those three things is a chemical weapon.
Doesn't change a whole lot really.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:26 PM   #19
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Doesn't change a whole lot really.
If you have absolutely no point for posting it I suppose so.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:29 PM   #20
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If you have absolutely no point for posting it I suppose so.
Ya that's what it is..no point.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:35 PM   #21
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Ya that's what it is..no point.
It also implies that John Kerry or the Obama administration had something to do with those three photos when of course they did not.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:36 PM   #22
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It also implies that John Kerry or the Obama administration had something to do with those three photos when of course they did not.
I think it's referring to Us a whole but John Kerry is the one Hot to trot to attack.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:39 PM   #23
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Ya that's what it is..no point.
Since it fails at attempted finger pointing, what is the point?
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Since it fails at attempted finger pointing, what is the point?
Do as we say, but not as we do?
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:52 PM   #25
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Do as we say, but not as we do?
Who is "we"? Appears that John Kerry is saying it and he had nothing to do with those other events.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:54 PM   #26
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Who is "we"? Appears that John Kerry is saying it and he had nothing to do with those other events.
WE ARE AMERICANS. ok?

Everyone is out to protect and fight for their lying ass party, like it's a game. I grow tired of the bullshit.
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Old 09-09-2013, 12:58 PM   #27
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WE ARE AMERICANS. ok?

Everyone is out to protect and fight for their lying ass party, like it's a game. I grow tired of the bullshit.
Just seems kind of unfair to portray the guy that way, especially for someone tired of the bullshit. I'm sure that wasn't your intention.
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Do as we say, but not as we do?
By listing things that aren’t chemical weapons?
Fail.
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Who is "we"? Appears that John Kerry is saying it and he had nothing to do with those other events.
Those things aren’t even chemical weapons.
Agent orange is a defoliant, a.k.a. weed killer.
White phosphorus is an incendiary.
Depleted uranium is a metal.
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By listing things that aren’t chemical weapons?
Fail.
Ya because only chemical weapons are horrible things to use. You've been swiftboated.
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