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Old 09-10-2013, 05:24 PM  
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The World's view of Putin vs. Obama administration foreign policy



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Old 09-12-2013, 07:20 AM   #76
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Now Assad says he will give up the gas. And Obama dances like an organgrinder's monkey to Putins music.

And the White House will claim Assad backed down from Obama. And assad will still have gas weapons. And will remain in power. And will go back to killin. What a fine end to this effort.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:24 AM   #77
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Now Assad says he will give up the gas. And Obama dances like an organgrinder's monkey to Putins music.

And the White House will claim Assad backed down from Obama. And assad will still have gas weapons. And will remain in power. And will go back to killin. What a fine end to this effort.
I guess Kerry was right; this war was unbelievably small. Heck I didn't even notice it.
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Old 09-12-2013, 07:45 AM   #78
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Obama did not become Putin's puppet nor threw us under the bus.

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For all the Folks you think this damages the US:
it's not our backyard. The US and the international community has been looking for the Russians to clean up this mess for some time. Europe doesn't want to send troops, ships, or pretty much a damn thing to the region, because they have zero interests in Syria. Well, Turkey does, but that is because they've got that pesky border, and more refugees keep showing up daily. The US has only tangential interest, because of the humanitarian aspect, and we are watching closely in case AQ or others gain power, and gain access to a lot more resources, and pretty much, we've been shamed into the position, and there is NO ONE in this mess that we really want to back.

Letting the Russians take the lead here is exactly what should have happened a while back, and by bringing this to a head, with attention, the Russians are finally doing that. Diplomatic pressure and grand strategy? Perhaps not so much, but this is outcome that folks have been looking for, and more, for some time, and it's NOT our job to roll in.

It's NOT our responsibility, and with so many interests--billions invested at this point--in the nation by Russia, it has always been their mess to clean up.
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Iguana defending Obama? That's not something you see every day.
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CNN World is trashing Obama. No idea if they are always like this. Today they are discussing how Obama/Kerry have been pushed to the margins and how none of US stated goals seem to matter. Also how the so called rebels Obama pledged to support have been entirely tossed aside in negotiations .

Not only does Assad stay, his opposition will lose the US support.
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