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Old 03-25-2012, 08:46 PM  
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I think this guy is the pick.

He really does everything well. Obviously in the defense he played in he plays more of a DJ type roll, roaming around making plays, but that dosnt mean he cant be a thumper.




A few times in this video he does a great job of disengaging from the blocker and making the stop.
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Old 04-14-2012, 12:05 PM   #136
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Who needs defense when you can get a LG so good you can design your offense around them?
We need Defense !! Now that Manning will be playing us twice we need to shore up our lack of pass rush(other than Hali) not to mention a helluva a lot more sacks other than just Hali !! Otherwise we will not win our division. It's bad enough we have to face Rivers 2x but now Manning 2x???
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Old 04-14-2012, 01:24 PM   #137
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According to PFF we ran the 2-3-6 second most in the NFL. A large part of that is because Belcher is so bad in coverage. Something to consider
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Old 04-14-2012, 02:55 PM   #138
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Do we really have someone slamming the D for giving up 4 catches to various players in the season? Four
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:12 PM   #139
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He only played on obvious running plays
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Old 04-14-2012, 03:41 PM   #140
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Imo kuechly's ceiling is Urlacher.

Belcher will be lucky to be Bart Scott.
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Old 04-14-2012, 09:23 PM   #141
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I see Keuchly as way better than Curry. I truly believe him to be an instant pro-bowler, and ROTY candidate at any LB position other than 3-4 OLB.
I don't know about instant pro-bowler, but I do think Keuchly will be a helluva lot better than Curry was/is/never was.
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Old 04-15-2012, 10:31 AM   #142
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He only played on obvious running plays
Not true, he was in on over 200 pass plays because teams are increasingly throwing on 1st and 2nd downs and going with more 2 TE packages to copy the Patriots.
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:47 PM   #143
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My argument has been that Belcher is an ascending player, and that he is improving in every aspect.

And yes, you do need a thumper.

He was taking out blockers, allowing DJ to make a number of plays.
Care to explain Belchers overall negative grade given by PFF?
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:51 PM   #144
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Care to explain Belchers overall negative grade given by PFF?
Pass coverage

Care to explain his huge improvement in that grade from 2010 to 2011?
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Old 04-15-2012, 04:54 PM   #145
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Pass coverage

Care to explain his huge improvement in that grade from 2010 to 2011?
Yeah he's not an every down player then.

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Old 04-15-2012, 05:00 PM   #146
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Yeah he's not an every down player then.

Got a link?
It's been posted here.

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And, for the record, there are very few every down players on defense in today's game.
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And, for the record, there are very few every down players on defense in today's game.
But Kuechly could be one of those guys. I've cooled off on wanting to draft him in the first round. I think you overrate Belcher he's an average player, good against the run, sucks in coverage, and isn't a great blitzer at all. Yeah you can still be a good defense with him as a starter but it's not like you couldn't find a guy just as good if not better.
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But Kuechly could be one of those guys. I've cooled off on wanting to draft him in the first round. I think you overrate Belcher he's an average player, good against the run, sucks in coverage, and isn't a great blitzer at all. Yeah you can still be a good defense with him as a starter but it's not like you couldn't find a guy just as good if not better.
I've never argued that Belcher is a great pass defender.

I have argued that he brings a physical presence in the middle of the defense that teams need, and that Kuechly hasn't shown that he has that ability.

People have argued that his size would suggest that he would be able to bring that, but playing with the kind of abandon that brings that physical presence to the field has more to do with the mental aspect than it does with size.

I've also argued that he is improving as a pass defender, and even though he will almost certainly never be as good at as Kuechly, the fact is, there isn't a single LB in this league that can line up against the best TEs in this league and be successful, and Kuechly isn't going to be that guy.
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