Football Ron Jaworski's Top 30 QB's in the NFL - Page 10

Mr. Laz · 06-19-2012, 09:48 AM

only up to 22 on the countdown so far

30. Tim Tebow
29. Blaine Gabbert
28. Christian Ponder
27. Matt Flynn
26. Matt Moore
25. Kevin Kolb
24. Ryan Fitzpatrick
23. Mark Sanchez
22. Matt Cassel
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DTLB58 · 06-19-2012, 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=SNR;8688981]Mark Sanchez.

The team's cupboard was bare. Sanchez was a reach, but he had a far higher positional value than Jackson. Because he's, oh I don't know... A ****ING QUARTERBACK. And let's not act like Jackson was considered a sure thing, either. He had a lot of growing up to do as a rookie if he was going to become a premier 5-technique.

It was inexcusable for us to trade for Cassel and not draft Sanchez.[/QUOTE]

You could be right, but I'm betting Sanchez wouldn't be anything special at this point, in fact I'm sure he wouldn't have played in 2 conference championship games.
This team has had not a consistent offensive scheme or good enough staff to coach a franchise QB. They all would have failed.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-19-2012, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

Oh, and we really shouldn't leave Kyle Orton out of the equation, either. We had a chance to keep him over Cassel this year and we balked. Not much of an upgrade, but he's an upgrade nonetheless.

I'm not sure Orton was an option. He bolted for Dallas. I'm not sure he really wants to start anywhere. He didnt even try.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-19-2012, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58

You could be right, but I'm betting Sanchez wouldn't be anything special at this point, in fact I'm sure he wouldn't have played in 2 conference championship games.
This team has had not a consistent offensive scheme or good enough staff to coach a franchise QB. They all would have failed.

Not the point. You can't look at it like this. You still have to try.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-19-2012, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22

and even besides the Jackson over Sanchez

we have been in position to take plenty of flyers or late round picks with that "boom or bust" potential- Dalton, Ryan Mallet, etc.

It doesnt matter if they suck, it's the principle to at least try and draft a young QB with some sort of upside or grade. Which the Chiefs have avoided completely.

Yep.

And not only that, but they keep handing him the position every season with NO competition.

Messier · 06-19-2012, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR

I'll throw Andy Dalton in there as well even though I was and still am a huge fan of the Jon Baldwin pick.

There's also Peyton Manning.

Oh, and we really shouldn't leave Kyle Orton out of the equation, either. We had a chance to keep him over Cassel this year and we balked. Not much of an upgrade, but he's an upgrade nonetheless.

I think they did want Manning. Manning had his 5 or so teams he wanted to go to and the Chiefs weren't one of them.

Sanchez? Same boat as Cassel.

L.A. Chieffan · 06-19-2012, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69

That's part of your schtick as well.

nope, people on here are just blinded by hate and can't argue with facts

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-19-2012, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

nope, people on here are just blinded by hate and can't argue with facts

Please, list the facts.

**loochy** · 06-19-2012, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Please, list the facts.

The facts:

Cassel sucks

ToxSocks · 06-19-2012, 03:44 PM

"After doing tape study on Matt Cassel, ESPN's Ron Jaworski described him as a "function of the team around him" and a quarterback who struggles to make throws outside the numbers due to "limited arm strength."
"Cassel is at his best in a managed offense that features run personnel, run formations, and the play-action pass game," Jaws said. "Play action primarily gives the quarterback either-or defined reads. Cassel is very good in that scenario. ... Cassel throws the ball better to the inside -- digs, hooks, and throws like that -- than he does to the outside. That's the way it is for quarterbacks with limited arm strength. You give Matt Cassel a solid run game, a good offensive line, room in the pocket to deliver the football comfortably, and he can be a very efficient NFL starter. That's what he is. He's a function of the team around him, and he needs those pieces in place working effectively."

Marcellus · 06-19-2012, 03:44 PM

It is truly amazing, being sincere here, how CP can have the exact same argument 5,000 times in 5,000 different threads.

The exact same argument, over and over gain.

Messier · 06-19-2012, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave

Yep.

And not only that, but they keep handing him the position every season with NO competition.

This was the first year they handed him the job undeservedly IMO. I was disappointed he's back, but other than Manning there was no one I felt could make a difference at QB for us.

**BigMeatballDave** · 06-19-2012, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

"After doing tape study on Matt Cassel, ESPN's Ron Jaworski described him as a "function of the team around him" and a quarterback who struggles to make throws outside the numbers due to "limited arm strength."
"Cassel is at his best in a managed offense that features run personnel, run formations, and the play-action pass game," Jaws said. "Play action primarily gives the quarterback either-or defined reads. Cassel is very good in that scenario. ... Cassel throws the ball better to the inside -- digs, hooks, and throws like that -- than he does to the outside. That's the way it is for quarterbacks with limited arm strength. You give Matt Cassel a solid run game, a good offensive line, room in the pocket to deliver the football comfortably, and he can be a very efficient NFL starter. That's what he is. He's a function of the team around him, and he needs those pieces in place working effectively."

Nailed it.

These QBs don't win SBs.

DTLB58 · 06-19-2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

maybe, maybe not ... but normally fans defend their teams even if they don't deserve it. Sort of the definition of "fan"atic.

but around here if you want to be cool then you say 'cassel sucks' in every thread posted.

it's beyond stupid

personally i think that Jaws knows more about judging QB's than all of us put together.

being #22 is hardly a compliment

I've always respected Jaws opinion a great deal. But the last broadcast he did when Cassel started he slobbered all over him and said Matt Cassel is a quality, legitimate starting NFL QB. And then we continued to watch him not make reads, dump the ball down, throw picks, over/under throw recievers all over the place.
I think Jaws was really just try to build up the telecast.

Messier · 06-19-2012, 03:51 PM

I agree with Josh Freeman. Id' rather have him, but even then he's just middle of the pack.

L.A. Chieffan · 06-19-2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by loochy

The facts:

Cassel sucks

27 and 7 and a pro bowl is a good place to start.

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