Football Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty? - Page 10

**Trivers** · 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/

Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2012, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by bigbucks24

So if I own a car company, and I make faulty cars, and these cars malfunction and kill people, as long as I fire the people that designed the cars, I can't be held accountable? Because suing me and my company would be a burden to innocent people, like the janitor?

Penn State is going to get its ass sued off, just as GM would.

GM would not, however, get torched.

Once again - this is a legal matter, not a regulatory one. The NCAA is a regulatory body and to use it in a punitive fashion is simply beyond its scope.

**alpha_omega** · 07-13-2012, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Do you even know who Bob Bordella is? Figured as much.

Dumbass

Spelling errors are pretty common, but you should at least make sure you spell it right before you call someone else a dumbass.

**mlyonsd** · 07-13-2012, 08:57 AM

As mentioned earlier if the death penalty isn't deserved here it should be eliminated.

Chiefnj2 · 07-13-2012, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The NCAA is a regulatory body and to use it in a punitive fashion is simply beyond its scope.

The NCAA hands down punitive punishments all the time. Ask Dez Bryant. Dez didn't break any rule. He lied about not having a meeting that was Legal and he was suspended for an entire season.

**Saulbadguy** · 07-13-2012, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

As mentioned earlier if the death penalty isn't deserved here it should be eliminated.

it pretty much has been.

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2012, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

The NCAA hands down punitive punishments all the time. Ask Dez Bryant. Dez didn't break any rule. He lied about not having a meeting that was Legal and he was suspended for an entire season.

He violated NCAA rules when he lied to investigators.

What Penn State did violated criminal codes and created civil causes of action.

Once again - that's the distinction. The NCAA exists only to enforce its own rules. It wasn't operating in a punitive fashion with Bryant - it was operating in a regulatory fashion. What Bryant did would've simply slid on by but/for the NCAA because nothing he did was inherently illegal. The only way for the NCAA to regulate and deter that conduct was to suspend the player. It wasn't a punitive measure, it was deterrence.

The NCAA regulates things that would be legal but/for the fact that the NCAA says that they're against the rules; a distinction you've already acknowledged. It does not seek to regulate things that are already illegal. it isn't a catch-all body that simply does what it wants with amateur athletics. It's parameters are pretty straightforward.

So many people scream and holler that the NCAA has too much power and now they're all trying to give it even more. People still haven't given me a decent answer as to what exactly shutting down PSU football accomplishes. There is absolutely no deterrent mechanism for other schools there that the criminal and civil sanctions won't already accomplish - let alone the public scorn.

Is anyone really going to argue that an Admin out there is going to let something go unreported now? And if so, that the death penalty for PSU football is going to be what changes his mind? C'mon - you all know better than that. The justice system and the court of public appeals provides a far greater deterrent than the NCAA. The NCAA knows this and that's why it doesn't dick around in legal matters.

This isn't the NCAA's show - it's the legal systems.

Chiefnj2 · 07-13-2012, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

There is absolutely no deterrent mechanism for other schools there that the criminal and civil sanctions won't already accomplish - let alone the public scorn.

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I completely disagree. Shutting down the football department sends a message to other schools that the penalty for covering things like this up is much more severe than 4-5 people losing, or potentially losing, their jobs. Hell, isn't the VP still on administrative leave? They haven't even fired him yet. Even when the board learned of the allegations they didn't make a full inquiry. They were hoping it would fall to the wayside.

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2012, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

I completely disagree. Shutting down the football department sends a message to other schools that the penalty for covering things like this up is much more severe than 4-5 people losing, or potentially losing, their jobs. Hell, isn't the VP still on administrative leave? They haven't even fired him yet. Even when the board learned of the allegations they didn't make a full inquiry. They were hoping it would fall to the wayside.

Once again, you think the public scorn that Penn State is facing won't do that trick?

Moreover, you've assigned a motive to the board that even Freeh didn't try to assign. They did discuss it with Spanier and Spanier said there was nothing to it. He then proceeded to manipulate board statements, etc... We don't know why the Board didn't launch a full scale investigation. I'm not willing to say that it was because they were waiting for a federal grand jury investigation to 'fall to the wayside'. Those are intelligent people on that board and they almost certainly know better than that.

The board at Penn State cares a hell of a lot more about the overall reputation of the University than they care about the football program. That reputation has been forever tarnished. I've known a few people on college boards, only 1 on a major University, and those folks are almost purely academicians. They couldn't really care less about football beyond it's PR value. Well their PR couldn't be any lower right now.

I just do not believe for a moment that closing up the football program is going to get someone to do anything that the prison time, civil penalties and massive public scorn isn't already going to accomplish.

**Saulbadguy** · 07-13-2012, 09:56 AM

Christ, I can't believe you aren't getting through to them, DJ's left nut. Perhaps you should just join the merry mob.

SHUT 'ER DOWN!!!!!!11

DJ's left nut · 07-13-2012, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Extra Point

Fatlock's take: http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoot...over-up-071212 . Nice dig on a former co-worker, the Poz.

I skimmed by this article earlier. Having read it, I regret giving that disphit the pageview.

He took Raiderh8r's level of reerun and built on it.

Hey Jason - what about DeeDee Sandusky, champ? The thousands of women that know their spouses are engaging in inappropriate conduct and say nothing? And I don't know about you guys, but I'm gonna go ahead and say that 99% of the breathless reporting on this issue has been done by men excoriating Penn State. Dan Wetzel has made his career out of this mess.

I mean the actual anecdotal responses to it are pretty straightforward. It can be factually dispelled so easily that you don't even need to get to the complete lack of internal logic.

Jason Whitlock - you're an idiot.

Mr. Laz · 07-13-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mlyonsd

As mentioned earlier if the death penalty isn't deserved here it should be eliminated.

truth

no other violation, in the history of the NCAA, is even in the same universe as this one. If the NCAA doesn't step up here then it should just close their doors from sheer shame.

**Saulbadguy** · 07-13-2012, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

truth

no other violation, in the history of the NCAA, is even in the same universe as this one. If the NCAA doesn't step up here then it should just close their doors from sheer shame.

ohiobronco2 · 07-13-2012, 11:17 AM

I have a feeling the NCAA will not punish them for this, but will use this as an excuse to look into other matters within the program. They will find something to punish them over.

Mr. Laz · 07-13-2012, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

I have a feeling the NCAA will not punish them for this, but will use this as an excuse to look into other matters within the program. They will find something to punish them over.

I doubt the NCAA has guts to significantly punish a University the size of Penn State over this. It this was about 'Midlevel State University' or something they would be talking all tough and looking to set an example.

With PSU they will hide behind "it's a legal matter for the law" and go back to counting their money like the gigantic pussies they are.

Maybe the will surprise me, but i doubt it.

**Bearcat** · 07-13-2012, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Laz

I doubt the NCAA has guts to significantly punish a University the size of Penn State over this. It this was about 'Midlevel State University' or something they would be talking all tough and looking to set an example.

With PSU they will hide behind "it's a legal matter for the law" and go back to counting their money like the gigantic pussies they are.

Maybe the will surprise me, but i doubt it.

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