College Football: The Colorado Buffalos

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mizzou beat a 15th ranked k-state team and didn't end up in the rankings for it.

No, Colorado didn't deserve their ranking and that's EXACTY why people are/were rooting against them.

I love Sanders and his approach. I don't think he's even that shameless self-promoter (many do it for him). But the sports media was in a rush to skip 2/3 of the 'hero's journey' and run straight to him slaying dragons.

This Deion is who he always has been and that can rub some the wrong way. The beat down yesterday was expected as the gap in talent between Oregon and Colorado is vast. They have gone from a 1-11 team to a 3-1 team so far. Sure his name and their victory over TCU contributed to their ranking, but he can coach and has them playing better than their talent should be. Will he ultimately make Colorado relevant from a wins perspective? Time will tell, but let’s see what he can do with more talent.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mizzou beat a 15th ranked k-state team and didn't end up in the rankings for it.

No, Colorado didn't deserve their ranking and that's EXACTY why people are/were rooting against them.

I love Sanders and his approach. I don't think he's even that shameless self-promoter (many do it for him). But the sports media was in a rush to skip 2/3 of the 'hero's journey' and run straight to him slaying dragons.

On a prayer 61 yard FG at the end of the game. Colorado basically led TCU the whole game and then traded go ahead 4th Q TD's before CU held them on Downs and won the game.

Mizzou was a 3.5 point favorite.
TCU was a 21 point favorite.

if you can't tell the difference in the games....

[Rams Fan]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

On a prayer 61 yard FG at the end of the game. Colorado basically led TCU the whole game and then traded go ahead 4th Q TD's before CU held them on Downs and won the game.

Mizzou was a 3.5 point favorite.
TCU was a 21 point favorite.

if you can't tell the difference in the games....

I think what Deion is doing at Colorado is impressive and if they win 7 or 8 games he should be recognized nationally with different Coach of the Year awards.

However, that doesn't mean the team deserves the rankings/recognition they've gotten. Beating TCU was a nice win, though in all honesty, there shouldn't be rankings until like mid-October as everything is based off the previous season and not the current year.

Colorado is a good story to follow given the nature how Sanders is structuring their roster via a new and unconventional path.

Doesn't mean they're a good team (yet). Their defense is atrocious. They'll be good in 1-2 years.

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mizzou beat a 15th ranked k-state team and didn't end up in the rankings for it.

No, Colorado didn't deserve their ranking and that's EXACTY why people are/were rooting against them.

I love Sanders and his approach. I don't think he's even that shameless self-promoter (many do it for him). But the sports media was in a rush to skip 2/3 of the 'hero's journey' and run straight to him slaying dragons.

I don't think Colorado should be ranked (see point above) but there's a style difference between beating a Power 5 team at home by 3 vs winning by 3 on the road against a Power 5 team.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

On a prayer 61 yard FG at the end of the game. Colorado basically led TCU the whole game and then traded go ahead 4th Q TD's before CU held them on Downs and won the game.

Mizzou was a 3.5 point favorite.
TCU was a 21 point favorite.

if you can't tell the difference in the games....

K-State was a far more intact team coming into the season than TCU, though. K-State is still a team that I think ends the season ranked in the top 20 (hell, I think they'll end the season ahead of Mizzou). They're a good football team.

TCU was a god football team in 2022 and a much lesser version of that in 2023. I watched both games and K-State played a very good game and got beat by Mizzou playing a slightly better one. The Colorado game was just TCU not knowing what it is without their Heisman finalist QB in Week 1 and they played like it. They weren't nearly the opponent in that game that K-State was.

And beyond that, you don't 'earn' a top 20 ranking through beating a team in Week 1 after winning 2 games the season prior. And those losses from Colorado last year weren't close - they were getting dog-walked by every team they played. That ranking was a gift born of hype and a hot game by their QB. And when they damn near lost to Colorado State and then got absolutely massacred this weekend, that was clearly proven. That's a 2 man show - that's not a top 25 football team and anyone viewing that through an objective lens would've recognized that.

When USC trucks them next week (and they will) then I suspect you'll see the 'hate' dial down and people who would've otherwise rooted for Sanders will start doing so again.

I want to see him do well because I like the message he puts out there and for all the 'new school' social media stuff, he still brings a very no nonsense, old-school foundation to his approach on dealing with college players (see: kids). I respect the hell out of that.

But I'm not interested in giving him a free pass.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mizzou beat a 15th ranked k-state team and didn't end up in the rankings for it.

No, Colorado didn't deserve their ranking and that's EXACTY why people are/were rooting against them.

I love Sanders and his approach. I don't think he's even that shameless self-promoter (many do it for him). But the sports media was in a rush to skip 2/3 of the 'hero's journey' and run straight to him slaying dragons.

All of those celebrities showing up to watch Colorado barely beat Colorado State while being a heavy favorite was a pretty cringey moment

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by smithandrew051

All of those celebrities showing up to watch Colorado barely beat Colorado State while being a heavy favorite was a pretty cringey moment

Why is that cringy? Just because you don't have celebrity friends to support you - I swear people are so salty.

[Pitt Gorilla]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Mizzou beat a 15th ranked k-state team and didn't end up in the rankings for it.

No, Colorado didn't deserve their ranking and that's EXACTY why people are/were rooting against them.

I love Sanders and his approach. I don't think he's even that shameless self-promoter (many do it for him). But the sports media was in a rush to skip 2/3 of the 'hero's journey' and run straight to him slaying dragons.

ALL of this.

[Bearcat]

Meh, I haven't paid attention a ton to what Deion has said or whatever, but don't know why people get worked up about it... he might learn lessons in not getting other teams worked up, but he's also taken one of the worst football programs in recent years, beat a ranked team, went 3-0.... and they were 20 point underdogs yesterday; despite anything he said to get his team motivated, everyone knew where they stood.

Whatever he's doing is clearly working, and just like Kansas last year, it's not like they're going from shittiest ever to consistent world beaters in a matter of a season. Deion knows that just like everyone else.

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Meh, I haven't paid attention a ton to what Deion has said or whatever, but don't know why people get worked up about it... he might learn lessons in not getting other teams worked up, but he's also taken one of the worst football programs in recent years, beat a ranked team, went 3-0.... and they were 20 point underdogs yesterday; despite anything he said to get his team motivated, everyone knew where they stood.

Whatever he's doing is clearly working, and just like Kansas last year, it's not like they're going from shittiest ever to consistent world beaters in a matter of a season. Deion knows that just like everyone else.

Agreed. Seems like some folks just don't like Deion, which is fine. I could care less about Colorado football but I can recognize a good coaching job when I see one. He has already tripled their win total from last year. He could lose out and this is still a better season. Oregon is really good. Everyone knew (probably even Deion) that the Ducks were gonna kick their ass. I think the Kansas comp is a good one. Colorado will probably win 6-7 games and make a lower tier bowl. Good for them.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Meh, I haven't paid attention a ton to what Deion has said or whatever, but don't know why people get worked up about it... he might learn lessons in not getting other teams worked up, but he's also taken one of the worst football programs in recent years, beat a ranked team, went 3-0.... and they were 20 point underdogs yesterday; despite anything he said to get his team motivated, everyone knew where they stood.

Whatever he's doing is clearly working, and just like Kansas last year, it's not like they're going from shittiest ever to consistent world beaters in a matter of a season. Deion knows that just like everyone else.

How many 60 min interviews and prime time fluff pieces did the rest of the country have to see about Kansas? The opposing coach's clicks and wins line was pretty spot on.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by ghak99

How many 60 min interviews and prime time fluff pieces did the rest of the country have to see about Kansas? The opposing coach's clicks and wins line was pretty spot on.

I missed where Kansas hired a coach from a HBCU who in turn brought a bunch of HBCU players to a Division I school and was successful?

[KCUnited]

While personally fulfilling to see, a “loud” blowout just adds to the brand Deion is building

He’ll have all the dawgs he needs next season

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by KCUnited

While personally fulfilling to see, a “loud” blowout just adds to the brand Deion is building

He’ll have all the dawgs he needs next season

A 1-11 record last year. Even god almighty couldn't beat a legit top 10 team, a contender for the championship on their home turf in game 4 of his first season.

I agree. Next year he will land more top recruits and the best players in the portal.

[ghak99]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

I missed where Kansas hired a coach from a HBCU who in turn brought a bunch of HBCU players to a Division I school and was successful?

Now we're getting to the good part.

In an attempt to not get thread banned or moved to DC I'll just say some of us expected the NFL HOF'er we've watched for years to be better than average at his job and to have some level of success. Treating him and his success as normal and expected instead of some kind of disney story line is a complement to him and his players. Fluffing it as more or less based on anything other than the actual performance seems to indicate a motive or belief.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by ghak99

Now we're getting to the good part.

In an attempt to not get thread banned or moved to DC I'll just say some of us expected the NFL HOF'er we've watched for years to be better than average at his job and to have some level of success. Treating him and his success as normal and expected instead of some kind of disney story line is a complement to him and his players. Fluffing it as more or less based on anything other than the actual performance seems to indicate a motive or belief.

3-0 isn't actual performance? Taking Jackson State - a perennial loser - to multiple bowl games after his arrival - isn't performance? Who has the motive or belief here?