Bailey Rumors - Page 10

HuddleClubKid · 02-22-2004, 09:57 AM

Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard?

Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269

I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!

munkey · 02-22-2004, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

it's like I'm running for President.

As what?

Democrat, Republican or Independant?

Be specific...

tk13 · 02-22-2004, 04:46 PM

Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.

munkey · 02-22-2004, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

but no one's listening.

I read it....

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

How much does Law make, what will Bailey cost?

Law will cost the Patriots almost $9.5 million against the salary cap next year and more than $12 million in 2005-they will either sign him long-term to free up some cap space or say goodbye to him,but I believe last year he made at least $8 million.
Nobody knows Bailey will make because he hasn't signed a contract yet.

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

Let's pretend that's what we do. We sign Vincent. That contract will be the LAST contract he ever signs. He's got 2-3 years left in this league before he retires or Joins Rod Woodson at FS. He's going to want us to show him the money. Bailey would likely be CHEAPER at this point because we could back-load a longer term (5-7 year) contract. See Holmes or Green's contracts for similar approach. We don't have that option with Vincent because he KNOWS he won't ever be around to see that late-year payday...He's a good player though, and would be a solid addition.

THEN who do we target? What IMPACT LB or DL are out there? Is there a Warren Sapp talent at DT?

No....

Is there a Jevon Kearse at End who ISN'T always injured?

No...Winstrom is likely the most solid DE available. He's good, but no stud. I'll pretend we somehow land BOTH Vincent and Winstrom. Our defense is better. This year. But that's it. We've blown our wad.

This is just MHO but I'd rather improve our WR's and sign a STUD CB...We take a step up on offense AND on defense. A CB like Bailey allows us to blitz (making up for a lack of pass rush on from the D line) and we won't get burned with him locking up on his guy.

I agree with everything you stated. I don't buy into the window, teams rebuild to some extend every year. My problem was with the dollars & draft picks to land Bailey. This I understand is his first big payday & will be going to a new team anyway so he will go for the bucks, I would. The back loaded deal sounds good. But with Gonzo & Priests deals, the O line is not cheap. QBOTF is needed to groom. We really do need a good WR, maybe through draft. Is all this doable & Bailey too?

munkey · 02-22-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.

I wish I could post your sig..

Eleazar · 02-22-2004, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by munkey

Either your I'm drunk or I need to down a few more to understand your reply.

I did. You acted like you didn't understand why we needed Bailey when we had Warfield, so I gave up.

Logical · 02-22-2004, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13

Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.

Clearly you need smilies.

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

I agree with everything you stated. I don't buy into the window, teams rebuild to some extend every year. My problem was with the dollars & draft picks to land Bailey. This I understand is his first big payday & will be going to a new team anyway so he will go for the bucks, I would. The back loaded deal sounds good. But with Gonzo & Priests deals, the O line is not cheap. QBOTF is needed to groom. We really do need a good WR, maybe through draft. Is all this doable & Bailey too?

Whether you want to admit it or not there IS a window.That window is TWO years and TWO years ONLY.Vermeil WILL NOT be back.The other coaches aren't signed for any longer than Two years and even Carl Peterson's contract is up.Parlay that with having SEVERAL players that are over the age of 30 and it easy to see there is ONLY a two year window.Priest Holmes,T-Rich,Will Shields,Wille Roaf,Trent Green,Johnny Morton,Eddie Kennison,Kendall Gammon,and Morten Andersen are ALL over the age of 30,that means they won't be around much longer,so to get it done,the window is two years.

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Whether you want to admit it or not there IS a window.That window is TWO years and TWO years ONLY.Vermeil WILL NOT be back.The other coaches aren't signed for any longer than Two years and even Carl Peterson's contract is up.Parlay that with having SEVERAL players that are over the age of 30 and it easy to see there is ONLY a two year window.Priest Holmes,T-Rich,Will Shields,Wille Roaf,Trent Green,Johnny Morton,Eddie Kennison,Kendall Gammon,and Morten Andersen are ALL over the age of 30,that means they won't be around much longer,so to get it done,the window is two years.

That is why the draft picks that go for Bailey hurt. Saunders is probably pushing for the future & DV will listen. What CP ultimately decides is the question

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

That is why the draft picks that go for Bailey hurt. Saunders is probably pushing for the future & DV will listen. What CP ultimately decides is the question

The Draft picks don't really hurt.Picking at 30 overall and getting Bailey for that pick is a steal.We are not going to get a stud Pro Bowl corner picking at 30, so Bailey actually improves our pick and it's like trading up,except we KNOW what we are getting with Bailey,a proven PRO BOWL CB that is going into his prime.You don't actually believe we are going to get a better player with the 30th pick do you?BTW why are you so against getting Bailey?

Wile_E_Coyote · 02-22-2004, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The Draft picks don't really hurt.Picking at 30 overall and getting Bailey for that pick is a steal.We are not going to get a stud Pro Bowl corner picking at 30, so Bailey actually improves our pick and it's like trading up,except we KNOW what we are getting with Bailey,a proven PRO BOWL CB that is going into his prime.You don't actually believe we are going to get a better player with the 30th pick do you?BTW why are you so against getting Bailey?

Is this a draft loaded with WRs? I would love to have Champ, it's the price tag. The Chiefs paid a ridiculous amount for Warfield, what the hell will Bailey cost? CP will be stepping out the door when DV goes, he has to be grooming someone to take his place. His ego would want that person to succeed so he could have a piece of the Chiefs after he is gone. Is Champ part of that success? Seems most here think yes

TRR · 02-22-2004, 05:34 PM

I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks.

Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.

Logical · 02-22-2004, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks.

Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.

30th in the draft is not a very high draft pick. Who knows where we will pick next year but hopefully even lower.

BigChiefFan · 02-22-2004, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks.

Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.

You have to look at the value of the pick.Picking at 30 overall,there is no way we will get a player that caliber of Bailey.Trading up to get a potential player that great costs picks.If it only costs a 1st rounder and a 3rd,why in the Hell WOULDN'T we go after him?Like I said earlier, to me it's not the draft picks,because that works in our favor,but the money that is the sticking point.Even the money IMO, is only an obstacle if we aren't willing to pay him what he's worth.Give him more in a signing bonus and guarantee some money for him.He's absolutely worth it.I respect your opinion but Troy Vincent
is on the down-side of his career and Bailey is just coming into his prime.It's like comparing night and day,IMO.

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HuddleClubKid Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Casino cash: $10004900	Bailey Rumors Just read a recent post on Bailey on the Insiders.. It sounded like the Chiefs were closing in on a deal.. What have you guys heard? Link: http://story.theinsiders.com/a.z?s=115&p=2&c=236269 I read that Gibbs was so-so on Bailey. Chiefs need this guy badly!!!!
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tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1837500	Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.
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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9440185	I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks. Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.
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