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tk13 · 01-18-2005, 02:28 AM

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Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying

By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star

Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff.

Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team.

Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season.

“The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.”

Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago.

The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams.

Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players.

Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame.

“Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No.

“If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.”

Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers.

The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach.

Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by morphius

If after every loss you say that you as a coaching staff need to do a better job at coaching the players, well, who is the real problem?

Oh well, I can almost guarntee that the reason that DV doesn't want to make any changes is because he knows it is his last year here and doesn't think he would be able to get anyone good to come in here for what is basically a one year job.

Gunther and Carl need to step in and tell DV that they gave him a chance to do it, but they need to make the changes anyway.

Money can always make someone come here.

Calcountry · 01-18-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Grose

I'm getting sick to DEATH of half-measures.

Two years ago we tried to fix this broke-ass defense by bringing in some new blood while keeping all the coaches. Didn't work.

Then we tried to fix it by bringing in a new DC while keeping all the old sorry players and assistant coaches. Didn't work.

It's time to fix blow this thing up and go for broke by letting Gunther pick his own assistants and players. GR had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants Gunther had to use Vermeil's chosen assistants, and it's not WORKING!

1 Year. Make or break.

There are plenty of good young minds out there that would be happy to take a shot under Gunther to make their reputation.

Agreed. Anyone who is taking a promotion will be willing to come in here for "just one year".

They need to find someone who is young, but is from a solid defensive family tree, and give him his shot.

RINGLEADER · 01-18-2005, 06:04 PM

I'm now totally convinced that Dick Vermeil sees the defense as nothing more than an impediment to getting his "high-powered" offense on the field. I'm really starting to believe that this guy doesn't care if we stop the other team or not...

Deberg_1990 · 01-18-2005, 06:16 PM

Well, I certainly look forward to another 8-8 season again in 2005! Thanks for nothing DV! You have totally wasted one of the finest offense's and running games the NFL has ever seen for the past 3 years. If I were Priest, why the hell would i want to come back for this Sh9t???

Hammock Parties · 01-18-2005, 06:19 PM

Can someone start www.firedickvermeil.com already?

OldTownChief · 01-18-2005, 06:25 PM

We need all new young blood in the organization from Hunt on down. When that happenes I could stomach a few "rebuilding years" **** these old bastards.

Mr. Laz · 01-18-2005, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

We need REAL, hard-nosed, and INFORMED media calling out the Chiefs. Petro would be just the guy, but for some reason he's pretty neutral when he's not defending Carl Peterson...

pretty neutral WHEN HE'S NOT defending carl peterson

you just like him because he tells the masse to not overreact about EVERYTHING.

if everyone's happy ... he says don't be too happy

if everyone's is pissed ... he says don't be too pissed

he's just like you ... a contrarian

he's so busy trying to delute whatever feeling is going on that he's worthless.

CHIEF4EVER · 01-18-2005, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Phobia

Do you seriously believe an undrafted rookie and a WR can cover as well as Bartee? Nothing on that entire Patriot team relies exclusively on individual talent.

I believe my dog Casey can cover as well....wait, correction, BETTER than Burntee.

htismaqe · 01-18-2005, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus

pretty neutral WHEN HE'S NOT defending carl peterson

you just like him because he tells the masse to not overreact about EVERYTHING.

if everyone's happy ... he says don't be too happy

if everyone's is pissed ... he says don't be too pissed

he's just like you ... a contrarian

he's so busy trying to delute whatever feeling is going on that he's worthless.

He's also the most well-researched, well-read, informed, and intelligent sports personality in KC, IMO. And in the end, I think that's why I like him, and why I identify with him.

When it gets right down to it, that's the reason he's neutral. A good amount of research leads one inevitably the fact that reality is neither black nor white...extremes (of opinion) are generally arrived at emotionally, not rationally...it's true of life in general and it's true of the Kansas City Chiefs.

In the team's present state, every fan has the right to be upset, and should take every opportunity to let the team know about it. Unfortunately, they've been so overly vocal about things that weren't real problems with the team (running Greg Robinson out on a rail and ignoring the fact we had no talent) that nobody cares to listen anymore...it's like the little boy who cried "wolf".

Frankie · 01-19-2005, 10:46 AM

How's about we call GRob and ask him to hire Giunta for his DC?

go bo · 01-19-2005, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by CHIEF4EVER

I believe my dog Casey can cover as well....wait, correction, BETTER than Burntee.

ahhhhhhh...

but did he play safety in college?

go bo · 01-19-2005, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

How's about we call GRob and ask him to hire Giunta for his DC?

that might work...

besides isn't guinta one of dv's boys?

i would think he would want his own buddies around him...

but it would be nice to get rid of guinta any way we can...

Frankie · 01-19-2005, 03:15 PM

Well GRob has already raided DV's staff for his OC. Might as well grab Giunta for DC. Sweet... no?

go bo · 01-19-2005, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frankie

Well GRob has already raided DV's staff for his OC. Might as well grab Giunta for DC. Sweet... no?

just about anything that results in getting rid of guinta would be sweet...

HC_Chief · 01-19-2005, 03:18 PM

We should simply fire Vermeil.

Experiment ended... Dick = failure who refuses to make the moves necessary to improve.

01-18-2005, 02:28 AM
tk13 ... Join Date: Nov 2001 Casino cash: $-1667500	Teicher: No changes in defensive coaching staff http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansas...s/10668159.htm Vermeil: Defensive coaches staying By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Despite pressure to improve a defense that finished next to last in yards allowed, Chiefs coach Dick Vermeil said Monday that he will make no changes to his defensive staff. Vermeil was encouraged by president/general manager Carl Peterson to make some moves, particularly at defensive back. Peter Giunta and Vernon Dean coached a secondary that allowed more passing yards than any other NFL team. Vermeil took the two weeks since the Chiefs' season-ending loss in San Diego to ponder changes. He returned to his Arrowhead Stadium office Monday, saying that while all of his assistants would be welcome to return, he also expected better results next season. “The only way any football coach is evaluated is on how many games they won,” Vermeil said. “Since we won only seven games, everybody on this staff, including me, is evaluated as below average. An 8-8 record would have meant we were average.” Although the Chiefs played poorly on defense since he joined the Chiefs in 2001, Vermeil has remained steadfastly loyal to his assistants. He resisted pressure from Peterson to replace coordinator Greg Robinson two years ago. The only defensive staff changes were made last year when Vermeil accepted Robinson's resignation and linebackers coach Joe Vitt left for the Rams. Giunta and Dean are under scrutiny after many of the defensive backs had poor seasons. The play of safeties Greg Wesley and Jerome Woods slipped noticeably. Young cornerbacks William Bartee and Julian Battle failed to develop into reliable players. Vermeil said his coaches weren't to blame. “Peter Giunta is no more guilty now than he was 100 percent responsible for the Super Bowl championship defense and the secondary he coached with the Rams,” Vermeil said. “They coached the players we give them to coach to the best of their ability. Do I blame them if a guy blows a coverage or breaks down fundamentally? No. “If I thought they were doing a poor job of that, I would handle that. But I don't think that's true.” Vermeil last year replaced Robinson with Gunther Cunningham and Vitt with Fred Pagac, but otherwise made few changes to defensive personnel. The Chiefs were even worse defensively. They allowed 103 more points and 330 additional yards and forced 17 fewer turnovers. The Chiefs would have a second offensive staff departure if quarterback coach Jason Verduzco departs. He is a candidate to become offensive coordinator on Robinson's staff at Syracuse, where he recently became head coach. Tight-ends coach Keith Rowen left two weeks ago to become offensive coordinator for the Arizona Cardinals. He is replaced by Terry Shea, a former Chiefs assistant who spent one year with Chicago.
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