Where does eveyone stand on smoking bans?

[RNR]

I think it should be up to the owner, and would even be willing to have it up to the owner if you have to be 21 to enter. City wide is bullshit IMO

[1ChiefsDan]

Originally Posted by frazod

And if the only job you can get, ALL YOUR LIFE, is in some goddamn bar, well, I'm sorry to say that you're a LOSER, and your life's not really worth a shit anyway, so it probably doesn't matter when or if you die from inhaling anybody else's smoke or not.

Take a bow, dipshit.

First of all, I don't work in a bar or restraunt. I manage facilities.

Second, what is wrong with being a bartender or waitress/waiter? You sound like one of those arrogant assholes that think they are better than someone in that position.

Comments like that make me want to give you the match. Hell, I'll spring for the $3 for the gallon of gas.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Then you do not agree. If it bothered me that much, I would chose an establishment that provides the atmosphere I want. But to say an owner cannot provide the atmosphere he wants, is too restrictive and is taking away a right.

I am no longer a smoker, but I don't want someones rights taken away.

then you are still a smoker ... just a 2nd hand smoker.



there has to be some kind of compromise

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

In my experience very, very few smokers are this courteous.

I would never smoke around a non-smoker when he/she was eating. Hell, I didn't like to smoke when I was eating, although I knew people who did. I also always went out of my way not to blow smoke in the direction of non-smokers. With reasonable people, this generally worked. The problem is, the first casualties of the banning mindset are reason and compromise.

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

I would be shocked as hell if they all just went home and drank alone. They're at the bar now because they want to be social.

Charge them $5 for a laminated "lifetime membership" card and move on if it's a huge deal.

If it was that easy we would. You guys seem to think we make money hand over fist. First of all we don't get the cut rate the gas stations get. They don't even have to have the permits we have. What you pay at the gas stations is close to what we (in Missouri) pay per case for our beer. Ill get's a rate break because Miller and Bud consider that a competitive market. I would love to show you guys our cost and maybe you would understand what the hell going on but I don't think the owner would appreciate me letting that cat loose.

[1ChiefsDan]

Originally Posted by KC2004

Well in Quincy ILL you have to be 20ft away. So I guess you dont know everything.

Didn't say I knew everything (read my post). However, I bet if you read the regulation it probably says 20 ft away from an entrance.

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by frazod

The problem is, the first casualties of the banning mindset are reason and compromise.

i believe this was covered in the The Patriot Act

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by Simplex3

In my experience very, very few smokers are this courteous.

I've alway's been nice about not smoking people that don't. So cause some other people do it I must do it? Sterotyping at its best.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by frazod

I would never smoke around a non-smoker when he/she was eating. Hell, I didn't like to smoke when I was eating, although I knew people who did. I also always went out of my way not to blow smoke in the direction of non-smokers. With reasonable people, this generally worked. The problem is, the first casualties of the banning mindset are reason and compromise.

Yeah, I'm pretty torn on the issue. I know around here places needed a kick in the ass to do something, no business was willing to be the first place that went non-smoking. I'm all for allowing a business to declare itself a smoking establishment. I think a lot of owners were just looking for someone else to blame as to why you couldn't light up.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by HemiEd

Then you do not agree. If it bothered me that much, I would chose an establishment that provides the atmosphere I want. But to say an owner cannot provide the atmosphere he wants, is too restrictive and is taking away a right.

I am no longer a smoker, but I don't want someones rights taken away.

I'm with you Ed. I don't either. But when their rights infringe on others rights, it makes for a sticky situation.

[KC2004]

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

Didn't say I knew everything (read my post). However, I bet if you read the regulation it probably says 20 ft away from an entrance.

Most entrances are where? About 10ft from the sidewalk....

[FAX]

This one time, I saw a guy in a restaurant take his already chewed nicorette out of his mouth and stick it under his seat.

FAX

[Frazod]

Originally Posted by denverdanchiefsfan

First of all, I don't work in a bar or restraunt. I manage facilities.

Second, what is wrong with being a bartender or waitress/waiter? You sound like one of those arrogant assholes that think they are better than someone in that position.

Comments like that make me want to give you the match. Hell, I'll spring for the $3 for the gallon of gas.

There's nothing being wrong with a waiter/waitress/bartender, unless you hate it because of some environmental factor that aggravates your health and you are unwilling or unable to change your occupation. That's kind of like Darwinism in action. But I don't think I'm better than somebody just because they work at a bar. I think I'm better than you because you're a fucking imbecile and I'm not. Did I clear that up for you?

And as I've said several times, I no longer smoke. But go ahead with the gas and match - I doubt if you're smart enough light one anyway.

Damn, I'm like an idiot magnet tonight. I just get a flute or something.

[Simplex3]

Originally Posted by KC2004

If it was that easy we would. You guys seem to think we make money hand over fist. First of all we don't get the cut rate the gas stations get. They don't even have to have the permits we have. What you pay at the gas stations is close to what we (in Missouri) pay per case for our beer. Ill get's a rate break because Miller and Bud consider that a competitive market. I would love to show you guys our cost and maybe you would understand what the hell going on but I don't think the owner would appreciate me letting that cat loose.

You're trying to get me to believe that smoking is of critical importance to your customer base, but a one-time fee of $5 to cover the bar's cost of printing and laminating a card is too much? These are people that smoke a $5 pack of cigs per day, and drop $15+ per visit at the bar. A once in their life $5 fee doesn't even show up on the radar and covers your cost of printing the cards.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by frazod

I would never smoke around a non-smoker when he/she was eating. Hell, I didn't like to smoke when I was eating, although I knew people who did. I also always went out of my way not to blow smoke in the direction of non-smokers. With reasonable people, this generally worked. The problem is, the first casualties of the banning mindset are reason and compromise.

I'll ask this question again:

Do you consider yourself the exception or the rule?

I want to get an answer from a smokers (or ex-smokers) perspective.

[sportsman1]

Ban it Completly or not at all. NO Panzy in between BS. Ban Smoking like marijuana or dont ban it at all.