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Old 02-16-2010, 12:34 PM  
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Cassel Third Highest Paid QB In 2010
Cassel's contract puts more pressure on 2010 season
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 16, 2010 1:28 PM ET

Chiefs fans looking to raise their blood pressure should check out today's article in the Kansas City Star regarding Matt Cassel's contract.

We knew Cassel's total contract figures, but the some of the front-loaded numbers in the deal are eye-opening. Cassel's $11.75 million base salary in 2010 ranks third among NFL quarterbacks.

The Chiefs brass says they fully believe in Cassel, and they know better than anyone how awful their offensive line and receivers played last season.

With that said, Cassel is getting paid like a top-five quarterback. We wonder if he must start producing like one to stay in Kansas City past 2010.

Cassel is due a raise to $12.25 million in 2011, including a $7.5 million option bonus. That kind of option is a checkpoint in the contract -- a time to get out. If we had to bet on it today, we'd guess Cassel stays in Kansas City in 2011 and beyond.

But the guy has to show some progress on the field. Another rough season, and the best option for the Chiefs will be to move on.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:13 PM   #151
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It's not a loaded question at all, and is very easy to answer.

Here, I'll do it.

Put Cassel on any of the 2009 playoff teams, and I don't think any of them win a single playoff game.

You can answer it, you're choosing not too, because you're going to look reeruned either way.

If you answer yes, you're going to get laughed at even more than you already are, and if you say no, your entire argument is flushed down the toilet.

That's what you get for defending a shitty QB.
I'm trying to have a conversation about the guy. You're trying to turn it into a pissing contest, all the while completely ignoring what I'm saying. This is pointless.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:14 PM   #152
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I'm trying to have a conversation about the guy. You're trying to turn it into a pissing contest, all the while completely ignoring what I'm saying. This is pointless.
I'M ignoring YOU?

That's ****ing gold, Jerry.

Don't say stupid shit, then back away from defending it.

Class dismissed.
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:16 PM   #153
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I'M ignoring YOU?

That's ****ing gold, Jerry.

Don't say stupid shit, then back away from defending it.

Class dismissed.
What was his record with New England?
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:18 PM   #154
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What was his record with New England?
11-5.

Did he win a playoff game?

A Super Bowl?

That IS the goal, isn't it?

Here, I'll do you ANOTHER favor.

Let's say that 2008 NE team made the playoffs.

In YOUR opinion, at Matt Cassel's PEAK, could he win the Super Bowl with that team?
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Old 02-16-2010, 05:19 PM   #155
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11-5.

Did he win a playoff game?

A Super Bowl?

Here, I'll do you ANOTHER favor.

Let's say that 2008 NE team made the playoffs.

In YOUR opinion, at Matt Cassel's PEAK, could he win the Super Bowl with that team?
No. Tom Brady couldn't win a Super Bowl with a better version of that team the year before.
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No. Tom Brady couldn't win a Super Bowl with a better version of that team the year before.
You're really going to knock a guy that has THREE rings to make Cassel look better?
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You're really going to knock a guy that has THREE rings to make Cassel look better?
No, my point is that if Tom Brady couldn't do it, why would you expect Cassel to do it?

Did Matt Cassel insult a family member of yours or something? I don't understand why people want him to fail.
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No, my point is that if Tom Brady couldn't do it, why would you expect Cassel to do it?

Did Matt Cassel insult a family member of yours or something? I don't understand why people want him to fail.
I don't want him to fail, dipshit.

I hope that the guy has us all fooled.

Then again, I hope I win the lottery and record a hole-in-one on the same day as well.

Christ, put the guy on any team IN HISTORY.

I still don't think he has what it takes to win a championship.

You don't either, which is why you keep deflecting.
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He could win a Superbowl with the right team. Absolutely he could. Most NFL QBs could. The better question is if that team will be built for him, because there's no way in hell he could do it on his own. There's your answer. Take it or leave it, because this whole thread has become a pissing match between you and me, and frankly it's a bit embarrassing.

I respect you and your opinions, so if you want to chalk this up as a victory, feel free.
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He could win a Superbowl with the right team. Absolutely he could. Most NFL QBs could. The better question is if that team will be built for him, because there's no way in hell he could do it on his own. There's your answer. Take it or leave it, because this whole thread has become a pissing match between you and me, and frankly it's a bit embarrassing.

I respect you and your opinions, so if you want to chalk this up as a victory, feel free.
So he's not a franchise QB.

Got it.

Should have just said that to begin with.
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Its threads like these that really tell where certain posters "bar" is set.

Some expect a Joe Montana and some are ok with having a Trent Green.

The point is that by watching Matt Cassel play last year under the worst of conditions, shows he isnt the type of quarterback that wins superbowls.

He simply didnt make the team better. His play lowered to the level of the team and even below it. A franchise qb raises the level of play of those around him. That never happened for Cassel.

If the goal is to win a superbowl, in a best case scenario for us with Cassel, we will have a much smaller window of opportunity to realistically do so than with a rookie because of his advanced age and low level of development.

I am part of the group that thinks he can get a lot better, and will the more he becomes comfortable with his protection and targets, but may never be worth the investment in money and passing on other options at the position.

Matt Cassel can develop into a guy that is a playoff qb, but I can't see him as a winning one.
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The one BIG strength that is uncoachable and no matter who wants to discredit it is how he plays late in the fourth quarter. From what I saw (and yes some of it was garbage time, but not all) he seemed to have a "light" come on at around the four minute left mark of most games.

Hopefully that translates when he develops the rest of his game and it is the difference between us winning and losing playoff games.

time will tell
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Its threads like these that really tell where certain posters "bar" is set.

Some expect a Joe Montana and some are ok with having a Trent Green.

The point is that by watching Matt Cassel play last year under the worst of conditions, shows he isnt the type of quarterback that wins superbowls.

He simply didnt make the team better. His play lowered to the level of the team and even below it. A franchise qb raises the level of play of those around him. That never happened for Cassel.

If the goal is to win a superbowl, in a best case scenario for us with Cassel, we will have a much smaller window of opportunity to realistically do so than with a rookie because of his advanced age and low level of development.
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I am part of the group that thinks he can get a lot better, and will the more he becomes comfortable with his protection and targets, but may never be worth the investment in money and passing on other options at the position.
He pretty much has to get better, at least statistically. But that still doesn't magically make him capable of putting a team on his back, making the players around him better and winning a SB.

People here see stats and think that's all it takes. You'll still find people that think Trent Green was capable of winning a SB. Personally, when someone asks me about clutch QB's, Green is never on the radar.

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Matt Cassel can develop into a guy that is a playoff qb, but I can see him as a winning one.
Should that read "...but I can see him as a winning one."?
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Should that read "...but I can see him as a winning one."?
I missed a 's in there. I fixed it before you quoted.
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