Football Another two weeks before the lockout is over? - Page 11

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 11:07 AM

I'm over this shit now....

http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/

Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham”
Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today.

In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit.

Here is the explanatory report he just filed:

By Ron Borges
ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways.

When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country.

Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day.

The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today.

Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union.

With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players.

“It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football.

“You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table.

He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season.

Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything.

So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.

BryanBusby · 07-21-2011, 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Laz

So the owners end lockout and agree to a 10-year deal with no opt out clause JUST to play games?

You assume that there is a mutual, full agreement.

ToxSocks · 07-21-2011, 05:36 PM

JULY
July 23 Voluntary training, conditioning and classroom instruction permitted until first day of clubs’ preseason training camps.

July 23 Pre-2011 League Year Period commences. 2011 Free Agency List to be issued and will become effective on the first day of the 2011 League Year (July 27). Clubs/players may begin to renegotiate contracts. Clubs may begin to sign Drafted Rookies and their own UFAs, RFAs, Exclusive Rights Players and Franchise Players.

July 23 Waivers begin for the 2011 League Year.

July 23 Starting at 2:00 PM ET, clubs may negotiate with, but not sign, Undrafted Rookie Free Agents, free agents, and other clubs’ UFAs, RFAs, and Franchise Players.

July 24 Starting at 2:00 PM ET, clubs may begin to sign undrafted rookie free agents.

July 27 2011 League Year commences at 2:00 PM ET, provided NFLPA has ratified CBA. Free Agency Signing Period begins. Clubs may sign free agents and other clubs’ Unrestricted Free Agents. Clubs may sign Offer Sheets. Trading period begins. All Clubs must be under the Salary Cap. Top 51 rule applies.

July 27 Expand rosters to 90-man limit.

July 27 Training Camps open for all clubs, provided NFLPA has ratified CBA. Day One activities limited to physicals, meetings, and conditioning. No pads permitted on Day Two or Day Three.

AUGUST

August 9 Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs to earn an Accrued Season for free agency.

August 11-15 First Preseason Weekend

August 12 Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents. (17-day period concludes)

August 12 Deadline for June 1 Tender to Unrestricted Free Agents. If the player has not signed a Player Contract with a
Club by August 26, he may negotiate or sign a Player Contract from August 26 until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00 PM ET, only with his Prior Club.

August 12 Deadline: if a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract by this date, he cannot be traded during his initial League Year and may sign a Player Contract only with the drafting Club until the day of the Draft in the next League Year.

August 13-17 Each Club has until five days prior to its second preseason game to provide any tendered but unsigned Exclusive Rights Player or Restricted Free Agent with written notice of the Club’s intent to place the player on the Exempt List if the player fails to report at least the day before the Club’s second preseason game.

August 16 Deadline for Prior Club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents. (Four-day matching period conlcudes)

August 17 Deadline for June 1 Tender to Restricted Free Agents who have received a Qualifying Offer for a Right of First Refusal Only.

August 18-22 Second Preseason Weekend.

August 25-28 Third Preseason Weekend.

August 26 Signing Period ends for Unrestricted Free Agents who received the June 1 Tender.

August 29 Deadline for June 15 Tender to Restricted Free Agents. If player’s Qualifying Offer is greater than 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged), the Club may withdraw the Qualifying Offer on August 29 and retain its exclusive negotiating rights to the player, so long as the Club immediately tenders the player a one-year Player Contract of at least 110% of his prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, with all the terms of his prior year’s contract carried forward unchanged.

August 30 Clubs reduce rosters from 90 players to 75 players.

SEPTEMBER
September 1-2 Fourth Preseason Weekend.
September 3 Clubs reduce rosters to 53 players.
September 8-12 First Regular-Season Weekend.

Mr. Laz · 07-21-2011, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

You assume that there is a mutual, full agreement.

It's all a trick I tell YA!!!!!!!!!!!!

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 05:38 PM

We expect the agreement to be ratified in a timely basis and if that doesn't happen, the thinking will change.

Mr. Laz · 07-21-2011, 05:39 PM

4 year rookie contract with an option 5th year --- so they compromised on that

owners also approved a 10-year profit sharing plan

part of the CBA agreement is to drop lawsuits

**the Talking Can** · 07-21-2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

AlbertBreer Albert Breer
Cowboys owner Jerry Jones just told me the owners also approved a new revenue sharing plan. Will air soon in NFLN.

and let's get this done boys

Three7s · 07-21-2011, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

We expect the agreement to be ratified in a timely basis and if that doesn't happen, the thinking will change.

What we know is with this, we'll see how truly dedicated the NFLPA is to wanting to have a full NFL season.

Okie_Apparition · 07-21-2011, 05:40 PM

Being wishy-washy or diplomatic is not exactly part of a player's training. & not even possible for a WR

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 05:41 PM

The minimum salary figures go into effect this year.

Mr. Laz · 07-21-2011, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

The minimum salary figures go into effect this year.

as far as i know it all goes into effect immediately

including Draft salaries (carolina just saved 30 million)

vailpass · 07-21-2011, 05:42 PM

Must...not...fap...

ShowtimeSBMVP · 07-21-2011, 05:43 PM

mortreportChris Mortensen

Sorry but this is not being well-received by some player leaders

**BossChief** · 07-21-2011, 05:44 PM

I can say on behalf of the Kansas City Chiefs and it's fans, let's get back to football /Clark Hunt

chiefqueen · 07-21-2011, 05:44 PM

Adam S; Players have votes to ratify

V. Jackson has NOT signed off on CBA.

ThatRaceCardGuy · 07-21-2011, 05:44 PM

This is bullcrap. At some point the players and owners need to wake up and realize we the fans supply the money that they're fighting over..but that will never happen.

07-21-2011, 11:07 AM
ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	Another two weeks before the lockout is over? I'm over this shit now.... http://www.bostonherald.com/blogs/sp...-thats-a-sham/ Herald columnist Ron Borges from Atlanta: The union to recertify in a day? That’s a “sham” Herald columnist Ron Borges is in Atlanta for the much-ballyhooed owners meetings where so many expect a settlement and a new Collective Bargaining Agreement. Some expect it today. In Borges’ view? Chill out a bit. Here is the explanatory report he just filed: By Ron Borges ATLANTA – Once again, NFL owners want it both ways. When the NFLPA tried to decertify the owners’ argument was that it couldn’t be done with by a simple snap of the union’s fingers. Time had to pass, they argued, or it was all “a sham,” a point they somehow won in front of the most conservative Federal appeals court in the country. Now they are insisting that the NFLPA settle two multi-million dollar lawsuits, approve a new 10-year CBA that cuts their pay by hundreds of millions of dollars and recertify their union in a day. The NFLPA has basically said they may be able to do the first two but recertification will take at least two weeks. The owners, as they always seem to be except when lining their pockets, are outraged and demanding a “global settlement’’ be completed today. Now there’s “a sham,” because nearly 1,000 recertification cards have to be signed and returned, approving recertification before the union can re-form. And that takes a lot longer than 24 hours, according to the union. With that as the latest background in what has become a far longer slog toward a settlement of the 132-day and counting lockout than either side expected, the owners are meeting in Atlanta poised to vote on approval of a deal with the players that they don’t yet have with the players. “It’s an ongoing thing,’’ Indianapolis Colts’ owner Jimmy Irsay said. “Everyone is pushing in that direction but it’s never done until it’s done. We are hoping to get back to the business of football. “You can only control what you can control. We’re going to try and do our part today getting something approved.’’ Meanwhile, back at the ranch, NFLPA head DeMaurice Smith is trying to corral angry plaintiffs in the Brady vs. NFL case and his own Executive Committee and team player reps to the point where he can get a majority to approve both the settlement and the 10-year CBA framework presently on the table. He has yet been unable to do that which is why no vote was taken on Wednesday even though many felt it was some sort of fait accompli. Let me tell you something, at this point there is no fait accom-anything, although at some point there will be an NFL season. Just not anywhere as quickly as fans hoped and the two sides thought possible. As NFLPA president Kevin Mawea ominously said Wednesday the players are not on a July 21 deadline for anything. So the owners are expected to approve a deal they don’t yet have sometime today while now arguing that a union is a great thing for their business even though the players don’t have one any more.
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2103063	JULY July 23 Voluntary training, conditioning and classroom instruction permitted until first day of clubs’ preseason training camps. July 23 Pre-2011 League Year Period commences. 2011 Free Agency List to be issued and will become effective on the first day of the 2011 League Year (July 27). Clubs/players may begin to renegotiate contracts. Clubs may begin to sign Drafted Rookies and their own UFAs, RFAs, Exclusive Rights Players and Franchise Players. July 23 Waivers begin for the 2011 League Year. July 23 Starting at 2:00 PM ET, clubs may negotiate with, but not sign, Undrafted Rookie Free Agents, free agents, and other clubs’ UFAs, RFAs, and Franchise Players. July 24 Starting at 2:00 PM ET, clubs may begin to sign undrafted rookie free agents. July 27 2011 League Year commences at 2:00 PM ET, provided NFLPA has ratified CBA. Free Agency Signing Period begins. Clubs may sign free agents and other clubs’ Unrestricted Free Agents. Clubs may sign Offer Sheets. Trading period begins. All Clubs must be under the Salary Cap. Top 51 rule applies. July 27 Expand rosters to 90-man limit. July 27 Training Camps open for all clubs, provided NFLPA has ratified CBA. Day One activities limited to physicals, meetings, and conditioning. No pads permitted on Day Two or Day Three. AUGUST August 9 Deadline for players under contract to report to their clubs to earn an Accrued Season for free agency. August 11-15 First Preseason Weekend August 12 Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets by Restricted Free Agents. (17-day period concludes) August 12 Deadline for June 1 Tender to Unrestricted Free Agents. If the player has not signed a Player Contract with a Club by August 26, he may negotiate or sign a Player Contract from August 26 until the Tuesday following the tenth week of the regular season, at 4:00 PM ET, only with his Prior Club. August 12 Deadline: if a Drafted Rookie has not signed a Player Contract by this date, he cannot be traded during his initial League Year and may sign a Player Contract only with the drafting Club until the day of the Draft in the next League Year. August 13-17 Each Club has until five days prior to its second preseason game to provide any tendered but unsigned Exclusive Rights Player or Restricted Free Agent with written notice of the Club’s intent to place the player on the Exempt List if the player fails to report at least the day before the Club’s second preseason game. August 16 Deadline for Prior Club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents. (Four-day matching period conlcudes) August 17 Deadline for June 1 Tender to Restricted Free Agents who have received a Qualifying Offer for a Right of First Refusal Only. August 18-22 Second Preseason Weekend. August 25-28 Third Preseason Weekend. August 26 Signing Period ends for Unrestricted Free Agents who received the June 1 Tender. August 29 Deadline for June 15 Tender to Restricted Free Agents. If player’s Qualifying Offer is greater than 110% of the player’s prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary (with all other terms of his prior year contract carried forward unchanged), the Club may withdraw the Qualifying Offer on August 29 and retain its exclusive negotiating rights to the player, so long as the Club immediately tenders the player a one-year Player Contract of at least 110% of his prior year’s Paragraph 5 Salary, with all the terms of his prior year’s contract carried forward unchanged. August 30 Clubs reduce rosters from 90 players to 75 players. SEPTEMBER September 1-2 Fourth Preseason Weekend. September 3 Clubs reduce rosters to 53 players. September 8-12 First Regular-Season Weekend. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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07-21-2011, 05:38 PM	#154
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1635912	We expect the agreement to be ratified in a timely basis and if that doesn't happen, the thinking will change. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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07-21-2011, 05:39 PM	#155
Mr. Laz Don't Tease Me Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: KS Casino cash: $11047037	4 year rookie contract with an option 5th year --- so they compromised on that owners also approved a 10-year profit sharing plan part of the CBA agreement is to drop lawsuits __________________
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07-21-2011, 05:40 PM	#158
Okie_Apparition Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: floatin cobwebs n the sky Casino cash: $10004900	Being wishy-washy or diplomatic is not exactly part of a player's training. & not even possible for a WR
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07-21-2011, 05:41 PM	#159
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1635912	The minimum salary figures go into effect this year. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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07-21-2011, 05:43 PM	#162
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	mortreportChris Mortensen Sorry but this is not being well-received by some player leaders
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07-21-2011, 05:44 PM	#163
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1635912	I can say on behalf of the Kansas City Chiefs and it's fans, let's get back to football /Clark Hunt __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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07-21-2011, 05:44 PM	#164
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07-21-2011, 05:44 PM	#165
ThatRaceCardGuy I BRAUGHT THE BOOZE Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: KU VILLE Casino cash: $10007253	This is bullcrap. At some point the players and owners need to wake up and realize we the fans supply the money that they're fighting over..but that will never happen.
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