Rumor: Redskins prepared to offer at least 4 picks for the #2 pick.

[The Franchise]

www.Rotoworld.com

Teams sources tell NBC Philadelphia's Howard Eskin the Redskins are prepared to offer the Rams their top three 2012 picks and "at least" their 2013 first-round pick to move up to draft Baylor QB Robert Griffin III.

If true, it would be a positively Ricky Williams-ian haul for the Rams, who saw the value of their No. 2 pick increase even further on Sunday when Griffin was unofficially timed at a blazing 4.38 in the 40 at the Combine. Eskin's report comes two days after SI.com's Tony Pauline reported the Rams have engaged in "exploratory talks" with the Redskins about a swap. Source: Howard Eskin on Twitter

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Any strategy that has you relying purely on free agency for 2 offseasons is beyond fail. It goes against anything and everything a good football team should do. The best teams build through the draft. Let me again reiterate... if RGIII isn't Peyton Manning, and he probably won't be, he's going to need help.

A good team can draft 4-5 quality players/starters in 2 years. A very good team can draft 6-7. Why would you rather those players out of the draft than free agency? Because those 6-7 players you draft will probably cost the price of one overpriced free agent. I thought that was common sense.

Look ding dong, we already have the supporting cast. We aren't starting from scratch. The help is already in place. The missing piece is the FRANCHISE QB. So tell me, how many FRANCHISE QBs hit the free agency market in a given year? ZERO. That is why they are FRANCHISE QBs. I thought that was common sense. That is why you have to draft the FRANCHISE QB. Guess where FRANCHISE QBs are typically drafted? That's right--at the top of the draft. Smart teams don't pass on FRANCHISE QBs. They do what it takes to get one. Is there a risk? ABSOLUTELY. Am I willing to take a risk on what I think is a franchise QB vs. a LIFETIME of 7 and 9? ABSOLUTELY.

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by RustShack

I don't think RG3 was this elite prospect last year..

I guess that kind of explains your football knowledge and viewpoints then....

[RustShack]

So who are all these current franchise QB's who were drafted at the top?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by O.city

Exactly.


The Chiefs have gone about building this team the right way.

The only personnel mistake is at qb. We need a franchise qb, but you can't throw the rest of the team under the bus just to get one.

Look at the Packers this season. They had the epitome of the franchise qb and that wasn't enough due to a shitty defense, which they will have to upgrade in the draft.

The Chiefs need luck to happen in order to get the guy this draft. They can't go throwing 4 or 5 first rounders away.

Who is throwing away 4 or 5 first rounders?

This is what it has come to for the detractors?

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

I guess that kind of explains your football knowledge and viewpoints then....

Yes enlighten me, where was he projected to go last year if he went pro?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by RustShack

Yes enlighten me, where was he projected to go last year if he went pro?

I don't think he was even projected to be a QB.

[RustShack]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I don't think he was even projected to be a QB.

According to Fat Elvis he was an elite QB last year.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Who is throwing away 4 or 5 first rounders?

This is what it has come to for the detractors?

How else do you expect to get to that number 2 spot? You think the Rams are gonna say "sure we would rather take your spot and miss out on one of the blue chip prospects that we desperately need to protect our franchise qb"?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by RustShack

According to Fat Elvis he was an elite QB last year.

Kiper or somebody said on the radio last weekend that he was probably going to have to apologize to him at the combine or something along those lines.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by SNR

Also, can I just say **** next year's supposedly glorious crop of QBs? I've been told multiple times by people that I just need to sit tight because next year we'll have a chance to draft Landry Jones or Tyler Wilson (assuming we don't blow shit chunks and get to draft Matt Barkley #1 overall). Oh goody! We can draft Luke Kuechly and Landry Jones and we'll have the best team ever! Problem solved!

Even Barkley is a pathetic turd compared to Luck and RGIII. Those two QBs are ****ing amazing, and it really sucks that Philip Rivers and Tyler Palko put us in this unfortunate never-ending purgatory. We actually had the potential to draft one of those guys and ****ed the whole thing up.

The Chiefs never had a shot in hell at Luck. They lost out on RGIII. He's a terrific QB prospect, but I'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of the 2013 class. Barkley and Wilson are intriguing picks right now and will be very strong picks with another year of experience. Tyler Bray or Aaron Murray are two QBs who could have very big years in 2012 and, if either of them do, they could declare and be very, very intriguing first round picks. And you just never know what QB with another year of experience could have a big year. Maybe EJ Manuel or Geno Smith have a big year.

As I've said before, I don't think any QB is going to be nearly as good as Luck. I don't see why it's out of the question that Barkley or Wilson won't maybe be every bit as good as Luck. And I think it's very likely that there will be a ton of picks better than Tannehill. [CORRECTION: Barkley or Wilson will be every bit as good as RGIII]

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Look ding dong, we already have the supporting cast. We aren't starting from scratch. The help is already in place. The missing piece is the FRANCHISE QB. So tell me, how many FRANCHISE QBs hit the free agency market in a given year? ZERO. That is why they are FRANCHISE QBs. I thought that was common sense. That is why you have to draft the FRANCHISE QB. Guess where FRANCHISE QBs are typically drafted? That's right--at the top of the draft. Smart teams don't pass on FRANCHISE QBs. They do what it takes to get one. Is there a risk? ABSOLUTELY. Am I willing to take a risk on what I think is a franchise QB vs. a LIFETIME of 7 and 9? ABSOLUTELY.

You're an idiot. There is a risk in drafting a QB and hoping he's a franchise QB. It is a very low-odds gamble to draft a QB in the hopes that he becomes the next Peyton Manning, which is what you're doing here.

Pure and simple. If you draft RGIII, unless he becomes Peyton Manning good, you're going to have to build your team largely through free agency. That's a model that almost never works for any team. Period.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

The Chiefs never had a shot in hell at Luck. They lost out on RGIII. He's a terrific QB prospect, but I'm not sure what you're talking about in terms of the 2013 class. Barkley and Wilson are intriguing picks right now and will be very strong picks with another year of experience. Tyler Bray or Aaron Murray are two QBs who could have very big years in 2012 and, if either of them do, they could declare and be very, very intriguing first round picks. And you just never know what QB with another year of experience could have a big year. Maybe EJ Manuel or Geno Smith have a big year.

As I've said before, I don't think any QB is going to be nearly as good as Luck. I don't see why it's out of the question that Barkley or Wilson won't maybe be every bit as good as Luck. And I think it's very likely that there will be a ton of picks better than Tannehill.

Problem with all of that is

A. There is no telling who will and won't declare. Remember this draft went from QB heavy to QB light very quickly.

B. If we won't trade up at #11 for a franchise QB what makes you think we will next year when we play an easier schedule, have Berry, Moeaki, and Charles back? We won't have Palko starting any games so we will finish with a better record. This will cause us to have a worse draft position than this year.


Next year this same argument will arise as the "true fans" jockey for yet another career back up or over the hill veteran hoping for that one playoff win instead of sustained success and talk about how it is not worth it to trade up for a QBoTF.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're an idiot. There is a risk in drafting a QB and hoping he's a franchise QB. It is a very low-odds gamble to draft a QB in the hopes that he becomes the next Peyton Manning, which is what you're doing here.

Pure and simple. If you draft RGIII, unless he becomes Peyton Manning good, you're going to have to build your team largely through free agency. That's a model that almost never works for any team. Period.

Except this team is damn near built through the draft as it is, all except for RT and QB. Funny you mention building a team through FA not working yet you support us getting Manning in FA even though 40+ years of Chiefs history says that model does not work.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by tredadda

Problem with all of that is

A. There is no telling who will and won't declare. Remember this draft went from QB heavy to QB light very quickly.

B. If we won't trade up at #11 for a franchise QB what makes you think we will next year when we play an easier schedule, have Berry, Moeaki, and Charles back? We won't have Palko starting any games so we will finish with a better record. This will cause us to have a worse draft position than this year.


Next year this same argument will arise as the "true fans" jockey for yet another career back up or over the hill veteran hoping for that one playoff win instead of sustained success and talk about how it is not worth it to trade up for a QBoTF.

Barkley, Jones, Wilson, Manuel, and Geno Smith will declare (I think). They all have to. You have to hope Aaron Murray or Bray declare, and I don't see why at least one of them wouldn't.

In either situation, I believe the Chiefs would need to trade into the top 10. Trading into the top from 20 to the top 10 is a hell of a lot easier than trading from #11 to #2. We would have to be aggressive next year too, but there's no doubt at all that no matter how good a season we have, it's not going to be difficult to trade up to get a good QB. prospect.

[tredadda]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Barkley, Jones, Wilson, Manuel, and Geno Smith will declare (I think). They all have to. You have to hope Aaron Murray or Bray declare, and I don't see why at least one of them wouldn't.

In either situation, I believe the Chiefs would need to trade into the top 10. Trading into the top from 20 to the top 10 is a hell of a lot easier than trading from #11 to #2. We would have to be aggressive next year too, but there's no doubt at all that no matter how good a season we have, it's not going to be difficult to trade up to get a good QB. prospect.

This year we were looking at Luck, RGIII, Barkley, and Jones in the first round. Two of them declared. You are hoping these others declare and are even worth a first round selection. The problem is, too many people are afraid to trade up. There will always be the contingent that feels that trading up is expensive and not worth it. I sadly think our Front Office (the ones who truly matter in all this) agrees with that though process. If we end up drafting 20 or later then that means our QB, whomever that might be, was good enough to get us into the playoffs. That will cause the FO to rest on their laurels instead of addressing the QB situation, ala Cassel and the 2010 Chiefs.