*** Official Kansas City Royals @ New York Mets World Series Game 3 Thread ***

[alnorth]

Final	1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	R	H	E
KC	1	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	3	7	0
NYM	2	0	2	1	0	4	0	0	X	9	12	0

Royals Lead the Series 2-1

Raul Mondesi is the first player in MLB history to make his debut in the World Series.



Loss Yordano Ventura 3⅓IP 5R 5ER 0BB 1K 2HR
Danny Duffy ⅔IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Luke Hochevar 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K
Franklin Morales ⅓IP 4R 4ER 0BB 0K
Kelvin Herrera ⅔IP 0R 0ER 1BB 1K
Ryan Madson 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K
Kris Medlen 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 2K

VS.



Win Noah Syndergaard 6IP 3R 3ER 2BB 6K
Addison Reed 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Tyler Clippard 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 0K
Jeurys Familia 1IP 0R 0ER 0BB 1K

Home Runs

KC

none

NYM

David Wright - Bottom 1st 2-run homer to left
Curtis Granderson - Bottom 3rd 2-run homer to right

Starting Lineups

KC

1. Alcides Escobar, SS
2. Ben Zobrist, 2B
3. Lorenzo Cain, CF
4. Eric Hosmer, 1B
5. Mike Moustakas, 3B
6. Salvador Perez, C
7. Alex Gordon, LF
8. Alex Rios, RF
8. Kelvin Herrera, P
8. Ryan Madson, P
8. Kris Medlen, P
8. Kendrys Morales, ph
9. Yordano Ventura, P
9. Danny Duffy, P
9. Raul Mondesi, ph
major league debut
9. Luke Hochevar, P
9. Franklin Morales, P
9. Paulo Orlando, RF

NYM

1. Curtis Granderson, RF
2. David Wright, 3B
3. Daniel Murphy, 2B
4. Yoenis Cespedes, CF/LF
5. Lucas Duda, 1B
6. Travis d'Arnaud, C
7. Michael Conforto, LF
7. Juan Lagares, CF
8. Wilmer Flores, SS
9. Noah Syndergaard, P
9. Juan Uribe, ph
9. Addison Reed, P
9. Kirk Nieuwenhuis, ph
9. Tyler Clippard, P
9. Jeurys Familia, P

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Royals have been in more brawls and dustups than any team in baseball. You can say a lot of things about them, but I don't think that Yost is too much of a pussy to retaliate, otherwise you wouldn't have had the multiple incidents that you've had this year.

Say Herrera earholes Cespedes once the game is out of hand. Do you really want your second best reliever suspended (b/c they'd hear that appeal right away) for possibly the 6th and 7th games of the WS?

If a guy is crowding the plate, you back him off. That's baseball. What you don't do is intentionally throw at someone's head (unless it's a Chase Utley situation). I would have had no problems with Ventura giving Wright a purpose pitch in the first, but you don't need to start clogging the bases, either.

The way Ned wastes pitchers, especially tonight, I don't care.

Stop being a pussy, Ned.

BTW, I'd trade Ned for Mike any of the week.

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Personally, I was hoping for a bench clearing whoop ass.

The New York media and the Mets forums have been calling for this all week, so it was no surprise.

Ned Yost was and is too big of a ****ing pussy to retaliate.

That's something that you can do in the regular season but you can't get players suspended up 2-0 in the World Series. The last thing the Royals need to do right now is focus on shit like that instead of playing baseball. Luckily they've already learned that lesson. This isn't the 1970s where Brett and Nettles get into a fist fight at third base and not get thrown out. Had Ventura thrown at them he would have got tossed. If they clear the dugouts and do anything but bark people get suspended. If shit like that happens it'll be because a team knows they are done. It's about winning a World Series.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tk13

I never understood where you were coming from before, and I still don't know. You didn't watch these games. Josh Donaldson was the one losing his shit every AB. Volquez threw him a changeup up and in the next time up, and he flipped out. From there, the rest of it was inevitable. Donaldson was looking for a fight. Him and Bautista are always looking for something to be angry about.

Great, the "MLB players can recognize a changeup when it is coming at their head" line.

He flipped out because he was hit near the head in the first, then had to dive away in the third, then got buzzed in the 7th right after Tulo got hit.

But yeah, he shouldn't lose his shit there.

What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander, eh?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The way Ned wastes pitchers, especially tonight, I don't care.

Stop being a pussy, Ned.

BTW, I'd trade Ned for Mike any of the week.

You don't need to escalate the situation, though. Escobar gets buzzed, then buzz Granderson or Wright and leave it at that. Hitting them is likely to instigate further retaliation and you risk suspension or future injury to one of your players.

If Ventura hits Wright on purpose, what's to stop one of the Mets from going inside on Perez? And what happens if he breaks his wrist? Then, not only have you lost this game, but you're likely ****ed for the rest of the series.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

If a Cubs pitcher had said that and then did the same thing to Carp. We would have retaliated with a fastball in the ribs.

Was there anyone on Earth who deserved a fastball to the head more than Adrian Gonzalez in Game 1 of the NLDS last year?

Did he get one?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Great, the "MLB players can recognize a changeup when it is coming at their head" line.

He flipped out because he was hit near the head in the first, then had to dive away in the third, then got buzzed in the 7th right after Tulo got hit.

But yeah, he shouldn't lose his shit there.

What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander, eh?

He knew what he was doing. Just watch how he plays. He did the same thing in the ALCS. He creates a scene at the plate when he wants attention.

And once again, I'm not the one proclaiming innocence. I don't think the Royals are a bunch of innocent choir boys. But I don't have a problem with them standing up for themselves either. Somehow the other team never has any culpability. I openly said in plenty of game threads there were times where the Royals deserved one in the ribs. But almost all of these high profile incidents that people bring up were because guys were trying to mess with the Royals. Only one that wasn't was Ventura being an idiot and going after Trout.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by tk13

He knew what he was doing. Just watch how he plays. He did the same thing in the ALCS. He creates a scene at the plate when he wants attention.

And once again, I'm not the one proclaiming innocence. I don't think the Royals are a bunch of innocent choir boys. But I don't have a problem with them standing up for themselves either. Somehow the other team never has any culpability. I openly said in plenty of game threads there were times where the Royals deserved one in the ribs. But almost all of these high profile incidents that people bring up were because guys were trying to mess with the Royals. Only one that wasn't was Ventura being an idiot and going after Trout.

No, the other team does have culpability, and Donaldson is a dick (his interaction w/ the Texas reliever after the near-HR in Game 2 of the LDS is a perfect example, as is his staredown of Martin on the popup in Game 6 of the LCS), but we are in a Royals thread with Royals fans and after a while it stops being an accident when the Royals kept getting into all of that shit. It doesn't mean the Blue Jays aren't assholes themselves, but put yourself in Donaldson's shoes there. Anyone would be torqued.

Again, I thought Ventura did a great job of showing restraint tonight, unlike in Game 6 of the LCS when he was barking at the 1B coach while walking off the field (as your whole dugout was) but Moustakas just reinforced the perception of the Royals that is already out there. Call him a one who sucks the penis once. Tell him to **** off a few times. But let it go after the first inning.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by tk13

But almost all of these high profile incidents that people bring up were because guys were trying to mess with the Royals. Only one that wasn't was Ventura being an idiot and going after Trout.

And Volquez throwing a beanball at Donaldson to open a game for a largely contrived reason.

[007]

Originally Posted by tk13

The Royals are pissed about Syndergaard going up and in on Escobar. "That's bad," Escobar said. "That's bad."

— Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) October 31, 2015

Alex Rios on Noah Syndergaard's first pitch: "I thought it was weak. Very weak. I thought it was unprofessional."

— Andy McCullough (@McCulloughStar) October 31, 2015

Noah Syndergaard on Escobar/Royals being upset: "If they have a problem with me throwing inside, they can meet me 60 feet, 6 inches away."

— Rustin Dodd (@rustindodd) October 31, 2015

OK there is throwing inside and throwing AT someones head. Two different things there.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

You don't need to escalate the situation, though. Escobar gets buzzed, then buzz Granderson or Wright and leave it at that. Hitting them is likely to instigate further retaliation and you risk suspension or future injury to one of your players.

If Ventura hits Wright on purpose, what's to stop one of the Mets from going inside on Perez? And what happens if he breaks his wrist? Then, not only have you lost this game, but you're likely ****ed for the rest of the series.

I understand the idea of actually not plunking a guy but the Mets set the tone from the start.

Of course, Ned's continual misuse of his pitchers and bullpen were the ultimate undoing, but having pissed off guys facing Syndergaard didn't help their at bats.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I understand the idea of actually not plunking a guy but the Mets set the tone from the start.

Of course, Ned's continual misuse of his pitchers and bullpen were the ultimate undoing, but having pissed off guys facing Syndergaard didn't help their at bats.

Were they really more pissed off in the third, after they'd hung three runs on him, then they were after the first pitch to Escobar?

[007]

The thing that sickened me (or thickened ) was the fans immediately cheering when he threw the pitch at esky. Talk about shitty fans.

['Hamas' Jenkins]

Originally Posted by Guru

The thing that sickened me (or thickened ) was the fans immediately cheering when he throw the pitch at esky. Talk about shitty fans.

They are savage-ass ****ers, and they deserve to die a horrible sports death.

[TLO]

We must now pillage and RAPE all of New York. It must be done.

[007]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

They are savage-ass ****ers, and they deserve to die a horrible sports death.

I just don't get it. So the guy likes to come out swinging at the first pitch. A pitcher should see that as a challenge and give him a nasty change up to start the game. Its their own fault if they want to throw a fastball down the middle and he hits it.

What that pitcher did was cowardly.