***OFFICIAL 2012 KC Chiefs Training Camp Thread***

[Kylo Ren]

Discuss everything Chiefs / training camp related here......

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Mark Cassell sucks!

[Messier]

Why panic about anything you hear from TC practice?

Offense does well-D must suck

Defense does well-O must suck.

I don't know, but the reports sound like sometimes the O wins sometimes the D wins, isn't that what you want?

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

LJ II

LJ was a pussy.

[rico]

Originally Posted by rico

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
Good to hear Boss was productive today...be sweet to have him and Moeaki flooding a cover 3 or splitting a cover 2.

31 Jul Paul Jackiewicz ‏@ProFootballZone
@TheFilmRoom Boss is a great TE, the only problem is his durability, he takes a lot of head shots cuz he's 6'6", but he catches everything

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ProFootballZone our passing game has been reduced to one side of the field for a few years now.


Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
#Chiefs have weapons, but it doesn't matter if Cassel can't process the reads. It's like having a Ferrari on a 35mph street, what the point?


Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
#Chiefs based on my observations I stand against most of the media in regards to Stanzi and Cassel for one simple reason.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
#Chiefs Cassel is limited and is more efficient at this point b/c the degree of difficulty on his throws is much lower than Stanzi's.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
#Chiefs he looks "better" at camp but we seen this chapter. Teams can take away his primary and then we are stuck in the same boat.




Joe Dice ‏@realjoedice
@TheFilmRoom i here u but based on all news frm camp lastnite and all offseasn look like we got Pats Matt Cassel if so will be jus fine

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@realjoedice he's the same Matt Cassel.

Joe Dice ‏@realjoedice
@TheFilmRoom will see too early mk any assmnts lets wait till season starts and he has few games undr his belt he did in New Englnd
from Jackson, MS

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@realjoedice you can, I seen him for 4 years and been to camp...I think I am able to form an opinion on him at this point.

Joe Dice ‏@realjoedice
@TheFilmRoom hey ppl said same thng abt Eli he has 2 super bowls but hey wht do i knw

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@realjoedice I'm not discrediting your faith in the guy...there are many redeemable qualities about his game.

Joe Dice ‏@realjoedice
@TheFilmRoom hey ppl said same thng abt Eli he has 2 super bowls but hey wht do i knw

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@realjoedice I'm just stating my opinion...never does that mean that your opinion isn't valid or right...it's just not mine.

Joe Dice ‏@realjoedice
@TheFilmRoom The Patriots Matt Cassel won games wit his arm the 2010 cassel relied too much on run game despite his statistics that yr
from Brandon, MS

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@realjoedice we are going to have to agree to disagree...it's been two days and we aren't really coming together on this.

Joe Dice ‏@realjoedice
@TheFilmRoom lol i hear ya well hopefully im right becuz if so mean chiefs goin be plyng late into january
from Brandon, MS

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@realjoedice I hope you are right...I'm just not there with you in regards to Cassel...but my hope is with Cassel doing well.





Cordell: There are no Madden Ratings in real life...no better or worse...there are simply skill sets...making it a matter of preference.

Matt Stagner ‏@stagdsp
@stagdsp @TheFilmRoom You can win 10+ games w/Cassel without much risk, as long as the playcalling and OL help, and skill players make plays

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@stagdsp exactly, both have their flaws but both have positive attributes. Never as black and white as it is made out to be.





His Dirkness ‏@HisDirknesS
@TheFilmRoom No Cordell, players are either good or bad. There's not even an average. That's just the way it is.

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@HisDirknesS sadly that is how many look at this.

ChileanChief@TheFilmRoom why is a different difficulty in throws?
1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom

@ChileanChief Stanzi process the entire field...doesn't limit himself to just one area...ESPN has a great reference for that information.
Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom

@ChileanChief Cassel waits for the intermediate route to clear, most throws are limited to half the field and short.


His Dirkness ‏@HisDirknesS
@TheFilmRoom you think that's a Twitter thing? created by ESPN talking heads? or a generational movement? It's irksome.
1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@HisDirknesS look at who controls the information...do any of them actually break down the game...or just talk in broad generalizations?

Chilean Chiefs Fan ‏@ChileanChief
@TheFilmRoom Understood, but in game situations, you could have a risky plan or a conservative plan, it depends on coaches to decide.

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ChileanChief agree, earlier said both have redeemable qualities...not a matter of who's best because they are different, it's preference.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
Romeo may go with Cassel...with a strong running game and emerging defense...I can buy Cassel being the best fit...best ball control QB.

Stephen Haynes ‏@OManSteveO
@TheFilmRoom #Chiefs I agree Cassel was making more short/crossing/slant throws, outside the numbers he was off

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@OManSteveO agree, he's a limited passer.

Stephen Haynes ‏@OManSteveO
@TheFilmRoom #Chiefs Do you think Pioli already sees Stanzi as his QB of the future? Assuming he wins the #2 spot.

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@OManSteveO based on the current situation I don't see how he couldn't...IMO.

Eric C. Stoner ‏@ECStoner
The thing that makes Gabbert difficult to project is that we don't know the answer to whether his issues are coachable or not.

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ECStoner was breaking down Brady Quinn and I am surprised a coach hasn't pulled him to the side and changed his very low release point.

Eric C. Stoner ‏@ECStoner
In that sense, Gabbert is the most fascinating young QB prospect in a long time. What is coachable and what is not in young QBs?

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ECStoner to be honest, and I respect coaching...but sometimes even pro coaches can't pinpoint flaws...some QB's rarely get corrected.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ECStoner Matt Cassel still throws a football like a baseball player...takes long strides into throws like an outfielder.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ECStoner yeah, Quinn's release and range of motion on arm is short...overcompensates for force by over rotation with the feet. Inaccurate.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ECStoner Brady Quinn does that but at a much larger degree...pretty much does a 180 rotation on his lead foot.


Sam Mitchell ‏@samhmitch17
@TheFilmRoom should have been there last night. Missed everything. Overthrew TE twice on seem route cassel hit routinely

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@samhmitch17 watched him one day, all I needed...hard to have success with his mechanics...too many variables to account for.

FredMoney ‏@AbstractLife
@TheFilmRoom Jaycee sound like he's living in a fantasy land to me. He always seems to think it's someone or something better out there.

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@AbstractLife man, I thought they were bringing up solid points...have different takes and perspectives than most I listen to.



Rico Swaff ‏@ricoswaff
@TheFilmRoom I'm glad I've seen someone else comment on how Cassel tends to throw like a baseball. I've been blasted for that observation.

1 Aug Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@ricoswaff people have blinders on...football is covered by people with journalism degrees, not football people.



Skip Bayless ‏@RealSkipBayless
How in the name of Montana did a Tebow who "can't throw" complete so many big passes and pull off six 4th-q and overtime comebacks last yr?

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@RealSkipBayless I can throw, you can throw, Tebow can throw...doubtful any of us are passers...but we can certainly "throw"

Who? ‏@WavyCrockett100
@TheFilmRoom I'm referring to your comment about running a few plays that work well. They'll have to be runs and short passes check cassels

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@WavyCrockett100 he'll have around 2 vertical options per pass play, wether he uses it or not is up to him.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
I ask about the types of routes Cassel throws and against what coverage. He's already good in one area of the field and against 2 coverages.

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
The two days I watched him he was throwing the same routes he always throws to the same area. Concern for me, we need other options.

Brent Scholz ‏@brentbeats
@TheFilmRoom You were high on Stanzi early on, but everyone been ripping him since. Did you see different things, or has he fallen off?
Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@brentbeats I hear people knocking Stanzi, but few break down the game or the position. I'd consider the source, myself included.
Brent Scholz ‏@brentbeats
@TheFilmRoom Gotcha. Was just curious if you felt your opinion differed, or if he started strong but has declined since.
Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@brentbeats my take is based on mechanics (Stanzi superior) and his reads (more aggressive)...from a technical standpoint he's the best.
Brent Scholz ‏@brentbeats
@TheFilmRoom Agree. It's not exactly analysts or scouts who are knocking him...
Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
@brentbeats yeah, there's journalism people who cover news...then there's football people, not a lot of football people in KC media.

This one may have slipped by a couple people. I love what he says at the bottom about there being "journalism people" and "football people" and how there's not a lot of football people in KC media.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Messier

LJ was a pussy.

Yeah, but if Flowers ****ed up his foot the same way LJ did...yeesh.

[Chiefs Pantalones]

Wow. I turn on NFLN...Donkeys. I watched NFL32...Donkeys. Now NFL Live...Donkeys.

[Messier]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yeah, but if Flowers ****ed up his foot the same way LJ did...yeesh.

It's in the exact same spot?

I don't know, we'll see how he does when he comes back, it's hard to say he'll respond the same way.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yeah, but if Flowers ****ed up his foot the same way LJ did...yeesh.

All I can find is that he has a bruised foot.

Should be back in a couple days.

Save the drama queen panic attack for if he's really injured.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe

Tamba just said we need bowe here to win the afc west which is our main goal #chiefs

[Hammock Parties]

God dammit.

Do not make me root for you, you SOB.

‏@bobfescoe
Jim zorn says Matt cassel is throwing a much better ball this yr. Attributes it to a full off season #chiefs

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

Bob Fescoe ‏@bobfescoe

Tamba just said we need bowe here to win the afc west which is our main goal #chiefs

lol

[mcaj22]

so during the lockout Cassel pooped his pants because he couldnt be spoon fed and have his hand held by coaching? I dont understand. You are god damn 30 years old act like a pro.

[mdchiefsfan]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

God dammit.

Do not make me root for you, you SOB.

‏@bobfescoe
Jim zorn says Matt cassel is throwing a much better ball this yr. Attributes it to a full off season #chiefs

it's magic!!

[Dante84]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yeah, but if Flowers ****ed up his foot the same way LJ did...yeesh.

LJ, like Ronnie Brown, had a Lisfranc injury, where the foot basically folds in half as if there were a joint in the middle. It requires surgery.

I think we would hear rumbles if Flowers had anything resembling that type of injury.

[ChiefsCountry]

Damn it sounds like Brady Quinn had a good practice.

Insert evil grin.

[Hammock Parties]

hahahaha. Burnt toast.

@bobfescoe
Horne gets behind Routt for a fade td from Quinn #chiefs
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