Chiefs BRC is no longer a "real" fan. - Page 12

**BigRedChief** · 06-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................

After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore.

I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore.

When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder.

When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder.

I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead.

These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder.

Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan.

King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance.

One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder.

I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.

ClevelandBronco · 06-15-2008, 10:38 PM

I would like to personally apologize for the POS Denver Broncos' fan above that has said in another thread that he hopes that the Airborne Ranger son of a poster here will "get gunned down" in Iraq.

He's an embarrassment to us.

kc rush · 06-30-2008, 02:28 PM

This thread seems as good of a place to put this as any. Rather, there is no point in starting a new thread based on the rantings of some lunatic from another board.

I was looking up something when I saw a thread (about 2/3rds down) from some guy claiming the Chiefs have lost 26,000 season ticket holders this year.

http://gatewaycityradio.com/messageboard/kcboard.asp

If true, ouch, that’s about 1/3 of all seats and it would be a higher percentage of STH since not all seats are/were held by STH’s. I was trying to find confirmation somewhere, has anyone heard or seen anything?

**OnTheWarpath15** · 06-30-2008, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kc rush

This thread seems as good of a place to put this as any. Rather, there is no point in starting a new thread based on the rantings of some lunatic from another board.

I was looking up something when I saw a thread (about 2/3rds down) from some guy claiming the Chiefs have lost 26,000 season ticket holders this year.

http://gatewaycityradio.com/messageboard/kcboard.asp

If true, ouch, that’s about 1/3 of all seats and it would be a higher percentage of STH since not all seats are/were held by STH’s. I was trying to find confirmation somewhere, has anyone heard or seen anything?

My understanding is that STH made up 70K of the 79K seats at Arrowhead, give or take.

I can only assume that they would mean 26K actual TICKETS, not ACCOUNTS, because 26K accounts would result in at least 52K lost tickets. (26K times 2 seats per account - and many accounts have more than 2 seats.

So assuming 26K in tickets were lost, that would leave only 44K out of 79K seats locked up each Sunday by STH.

35,000 empty seats available every Sunday?

Very doubtful, IMO.

StcChief · 06-30-2008, 02:56 PM

an Arrowhead insider would be the only real way, well place in sales/marketing. That isn't a number they want to advertise. 25K STHer turning in tickets

**BigRedChief** · 06-30-2008, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StcChief

an Arrowhead insider would be the only real way, well place in sales/marketing. That isn't a number they want to advertise. 25K STHer turning in tickets

Not a chance of getting real numbers out of Arrowhead. King Carl spent years trying to tell ua there was a waiting list long after there wasn't a list anymore.

StcChief · 06-30-2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigRedChief

Not a chance of getting real numbers out of Arrowhead. King Carl spent years trying to tell ua there was a waiting list long after there wasn't a list anymore.

yeah my inside connection is dead....so along with my ST and x-MIL (who could care less about Chiefs) despite the nice pension/insurance plan because of Chiefs/NFL. No way I could find out......

The proof will be in the empty stadium. since most seats were STHers we can do the rough math and get a pretty good idea where they are.

**BigRedChief** · 07-01-2008, 09:32 AM

At least the STH's at Arrowhead don't have to buy a PSL like these.

The New York Giants unveiled the pricing structure for their new stadium, which will open in 2010. Capacity will be 82,500, and every seat will be tied to a personal seat license (PSL). That's a one-time payment by a season-ticket holder for the right to purchase a game ticket. The PSLs will range from $1,000 to $20,000 per seat. The Giants said PSLs were necessary to help finance the $1.6 billion project. The Giants said fewer than 5,000 seats in the new stadium will command that $20,000 PSL, and that 90 percent of the tickets in the upper deck will carry a $1,000 PSL.

Contrast that to the Cowboys, whose new 80,000-seat stadium opens in 2009. The Cowboys also decided seat licenses were necessary to help finance their $1.1 billion project. Their seat licenses range from $2,000 to $150,000.

Pasta Little Brioni · 07-01-2008, 10:31 AM

up to 150000 for a PSL for the Cowpokes

holy sheet

**Dartgod** · 07-01-2008, 10:36 AM

PSL is just another way of saying, "Bend over and grab your ankles".

06-09-2008, 03:42 PM
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	BRC is no longer a "real" fan. Edited version of my email to the chiefs........................ After being on the season ticket waiting list for 4 years I finally became a season ticket holder in 1996. Back then 3 season tickets cost me $1,113. This year’s bill was $2,604. By the time you tally in parking, gas to and from the games the yearly bill easily exceeds $3,000. That doesn’t even include tailgating supplies or anything bought inside the stadium. With that kind of money I could plan a major family vacation, house improvements, and provide additional funds for college etc.etc. Spending $3,000 for something that has lost its value just doesn’t make sense to me anymore. I’m sure that the season ticket prices will continue to go up at a rate higher than inflation and with the re-opening of the “new” Arrowhead really escalate in price. I’m not having a financial hardship. I’m still way over paid for the work that I do. There is no reason to doubt that in the future that my pay scale will continue upward. So I can afford the season tickets even the club level seats if I so chose to do so. It’s just that I don’t think it’s a good value for my family anymore. When I have to pay for 2 pre-season games (close to $500.00) that are glorified practices it reduces the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m now unable to sell my tickets at face value to anyone. Sometimes I can’t even give them away for free. That decreases the value of being a season ticket holder. When I try to upgrade my seats to a better location I’m told that there are no real upgrades available. I feel this is because of the Wolf pack Club program that saves lower level seats and premium upper level seats for new season ticket holders. You can pay $400 - $500 a year to join the “club” and you jump in front of me. 12 years of season tickets are worth $400 to the Chiefs. How many $1,000’s have I spent on pre-season games and down year games? Again this has de-valued being a season ticket holder. I love tailgating. I love seeing old friends and meeting new ones on game days. The game day experience no matter if the Chiefs win or lose is always an excellent time. Year after year I have seen some hard core long time season ticket holders give up their tickets. This has taken a toll on the fervor of the fans inside Arrowhead. These hard core fans have been replaced by people seeking social time with friends and family, co-workers and businesses rewarding employees. They love their pre-game tents with the no fuss ready to eat buffets. They will really love the new club level. Nothing wrong with this new social dynamic except that a by product of this is that they are not as committed to the team and making Arrowhead the loudest stadium in the NFL as were the fans that they replaced. And that decreases the value and fun of being a season ticket holder. Maybe if I had no faith in King Carl to rebuild our team I’d still see a value in being a season ticket holder. King Carl deserves to be in the KC Chiefs HOF. He is directly responsible for making the Arrowhead game day experience one of the best if not the best in the NFL. But his arrogance has also brought the Chiefs down to levels that have been shameful and very distasteful to experience as a Chiefs fan. King Carl has had 19 years to get this right but he still can’t admit mistakes. His failure to evaluate talent is why we are in the current re-building mode. His time as GM should have been up a long time ago. I feel that he has stayed on as GM because of the great business skills he has and the profit he makes for the franchise. I believe King Carl wants to win as much as any of the NFL GM’s, he just doesn’t know how. After 19 years its time to give someone else a chance. One of the benefits of being a season ticket holder is keeping the same tickets for playoff games. One playoff game at Arrowhead in 10 years doesn’t increase the value of being a season ticket holder. I’m optimistic about the future. The last 2 drafts have given us fans hope. I’ll still go to the games. I’ll just cherry pick the games. Home opener, Broncos, Raiders etc. Maybe in a couple of years from now when we are good again I’ll see the value in being a season ticket holder. I can just buy the rights to someone’s seat with the $6,000 that I saved from not giving that money to the Chiefs front office for 2 years. I’ll always be a Chiefs fan and shall cheer no other. It’s just that the majority of the time I’ll be doing that cheering in front of a big screen TV.
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06-15-2008, 10:38 PM	#166
ClevelandBronco I'm with the banned. Join Date: Sep 2006 Casino cash: $5658955	I would like to personally apologize for the POS Denver Broncos' fan above that has said in another thread that he hopes that the Airborne Ranger son of a poster here will "get gunned down" in Iraq. He's an embarrassment to us.
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06-30-2008, 02:28 PM	#167
kc rush Blah Blah Blah Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: In front of the computer. Casino cash: $2069559	This thread seems as good of a place to put this as any. Rather, there is no point in starting a new thread based on the rantings of some lunatic from another board. I was looking up something when I saw a thread (about 2/3rds down) from some guy claiming the Chiefs have lost 26,000 season ticket holders this year. http://gatewaycityradio.com/messageboard/kcboard.asp If true, ouch, that’s about 1/3 of all seats and it would be a higher percentage of STH since not all seats are/were held by STH’s. I was trying to find confirmation somewhere, has anyone heard or seen anything?
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06-30-2008, 02:56 PM	#169
StcChief Playing for #1 Draft Pick Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Just West of Lambs land Casino cash: $10004900	an Arrowhead insider would be the only real way, well place in sales/marketing. That isn't a number they want to advertise. 25K STHer turning in tickets __________________ sig test for this screwy schema
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07-01-2008, 09:32 AM	#172
BigRedChief Has a particular set of skills Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: On the water Casino cash: $-561038 VARSITY	At least the STH's at Arrowhead don't have to buy a PSL like these. The New York Giants unveiled the pricing structure for their new stadium, which will open in 2010. Capacity will be 82,500, and every seat will be tied to a personal seat license (PSL). That's a one-time payment by a season-ticket holder for the right to purchase a game ticket. The PSLs will range from $1,000 to $20,000 per seat. The Giants said PSLs were necessary to help finance the $1.6 billion project. The Giants said fewer than 5,000 seats in the new stadium will command that $20,000 PSL, and that 90 percent of the tickets in the upper deck will carry a $1,000 PSL. Contrast that to the Cowboys, whose new 80,000-seat stadium opens in 2009. The Cowboys also decided seat licenses were necessary to help finance their $1.1 billion project. Their seat licenses range from $2,000 to $150,000. __________________ Mahomes is not a game manager. Release the Kraken.
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07-01-2008, 10:31 AM	#173
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07-01-2008, 10:36 AM	#174
Dartgod Wasted away again... Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: in Margaritaville Casino cash: $3810000	PSL is just another way of saying, "Bend over and grab your ankles". __________________ If you shed a tear for me, please make it a tear of joy. -Joe Tracy (Nzoner) . .
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