Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 12

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

The "The Chiefs suck because of Cassel" crowd simply amazes me. They have deluded themselves into thinking if Roethlisburger or Manning or Brady were the qb that the Chiefs would be a decent team. Ok, morons,whatever
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Dude.

Roethlisberger has had horrible offensive lines, but has excelled because he is impossible to tackle. He has taken a beating for most of his career.

Manning and Brady have the two quickest releases in the game. And you can't blitz them because they will hot read the shit out of you if you so much as leave an inch of open space. Brady had the same offensive line as Cassel, and it was like night and day.

Look, I've been as patient as anybody with Cassel and as tough as anybody on the supporting cast. But you're trying to act like the three best QBs in the game wouldn't do anything with this team? You're outside your mind.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I don't know, are you on 3rd shift "Cassel is the reason the Chiefs suck" duty?
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Oh sweet pea, you know my laundry list goes deeper than Jack Wrassle.

But thanks for playing!

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:04 PM

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Neither did you, moron.

The Steelers line sucks ass and has for years. Their running game has been stuck in neutral this season.

The Steelers are 15th in the league in rushing offense.

Anyone trying to say the Steelers OL is even close to being as bad as Chiefs OL is a total dumbass. How did Mendenhell just blow through the Broncos last night? How did they win the effen Super Bowl? This is like idiots comparing what Elway had in Denver to work with to this. Do you guys understand your team, the Chiefs, suck shit? And from what I've seen the coach does as well? And Pioli hasn't done so hot giving Cassel any help. The QB is the last person I would hang this season on but football morons will always focus solely on the quarterback.
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Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:06 PM

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Oh sweet pea, you know my laundry list goes deeper than Jack Wrassle.

But thanks for playing!

Refreshing. Glory be. Its not all Cassels fault.
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**DaneMcCloud** · 11-10-2009, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Anyone trying to say the Steelers OL is even close to being as bad as Chiefs OL is a total dumbass. How did Mendenhell just blow through the Broncos last night? How did they win the effen Super Bowl? This is like idiots comparing what Elway had in Denver to work with to this. Do you guys understand your team, the Chiefs, suck shit? And from what I've seen the coach does as well? And Pioli hasn't done so hot giving Cassel any help. The QB is the last person I would hang this season on but football morons will always focus solely on the quarterback.
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I'll ask again because you failed to answer: Is is painful to be stupid?

Physically speaking.

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dude.

Roethlisberger has had horrible offensive lines, but has excelled because he is impossible to tackle. He has taken a beating for most of his career.

Manning and Brady have the two quickest releases in the game. And you can't blitz them because they will hot read the shit out of you if you so much as leave an inch of open space. Brady had the same offensive line as Cassel, and it was like night and day.

Look, I've been as patient as anybody with Cassel and as tough as anybody on the supporting cast. But you're trying to act like the three best QBs in the game wouldn't do anything with this team? You're outside your mind.

Are you out of your ****ing mind? First of all, no shit, Cassel is not Brady or Manning and nobody ever said he was. Those guys make a lot more than 60 million. second, if you think Brady or Manning win more than 5 games with this total shit team you are totally insane.
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RustShack · 11-10-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Dude.

Roethlisberger has had horrible offensive lines, but has excelled because he is impossible to tackle. He has taken a beating for most of his career.

Manning and Brady have the two quickest releases in the game. And you can't blitz them because they will hot read the shit out of you if you so much as leave an inch of open space. Brady had the same offensive line as Cassel, and it was like night and day.

Look, I've been as patient as anybody with Cassel and as tough as anybody on the supporting cast. But you're trying to act like the three best QBs in the game wouldn't do anything with this team? You're outside your mind.

While everything you said is true, they still went through similar phases as Cassels current one to get where they are now.

RustShack · 11-10-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Are you out of your ****ing mind? First of all, no shit, Cassel is not Brady or Manning and nobody ever said he was. Those guys make a lot more than 60 million. second, if you think Brady or Manning win more than 5 games with this total shit team you are totally insane.
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This also.

chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2009, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Anyone trying to say the Steelers OL is even close to being as bad as Chiefs OL is a total dumbass. How did Mendenhell just blow through the Broncos last night? How did they win the effen Super Bowl? This is like idiots comparing what Elway had in Denver to work with to this. Do you guys understand your team, the Chiefs, suck shit? And from what I've seen the coach does as well? And Pioli hasn't done so hot giving Cassel any help. The QB is the last person I would hang this season on but football morons will always focus solely on the quarterback.
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Big Ben has been sacked 45+ times in the last 3 seasons and is on pace to do it for the 4th season in a row.

No, the Steelers' line isn't as bad as the Chiefs'. But you're dead wrong if you think they're any good. And again, Brady has played behind the same offensive line as Cassel and is on pace to get sacked 25+ times less than Cassel.

I don't disagree that too much blame is being put on the QB. But you're trying to use three QBs who are in a class of their own to make your point is a horrible decision.

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll ask again because you failed to answer: Is is painful to be stupid?

Physically speaking.

Since you can't answer with anything that has to do with football I'll just have to go along with others here that you are just a total ass hole.
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Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

While everything you said is true, they still went through similar phases as Cassels current one to get where they are now.

No no no don't you know it doesn't count because they were 22 and Cassel is 27????
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**DaneMcCloud** · 11-10-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Since you can't answer with anything that has to do with football I'll just have to go along with others here that you are just a total ass hole.
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**DeezNutz** · 11-10-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

No no no don't you know it doesn't count because they were 22 and Cassel is 27????
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So, uh, when should we expect Cassel to "get through his phase"?

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Big Ben has been sacked 45+ times in the last 3 seasons and is on pace to do it for the 4th season in a row.

No, the Steelers' line isn't as bad as the Chiefs'. But you're dead wrong if you think they're any good. And again, Brady has played behind the same offensive line as Cassel and is on pace to get sacked 25+ times less than Cassel.

I don't disagree that too much blame is being put on the QB. But you're trying to use three QBs who are in a class of their own to make your point is a horrible decision.

I'm not the one bringing up the Bens and Mannings and Bradys. You guys are. "Well Ben has a rotten line and he....."
Again, NO SHIT Brady has been sacked less. He's Tom Brady.
Sorry. You dont win a Super Bowl with a bad offensive line.
And to compare the Steelers OL with the Chiefs OL is moronic.
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chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I'm not the one bringing up the Bens and Mannings and Bradys. You guys are. "Well Ben has a rotten line and he....."
Again, NO SHIT Brady has been sacked less. He's Tom Brady.
Sorry. You dont win a Super Bowl with a bad offensive line.
And to compare the Steelers OL with the Chiefs OL is moronic.
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Because you're the dumbass acting like the best QBs in the game couldn't win games behind the Chiefs' o-line. I'm a Cassel supporter, and even I think that's horribly off.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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