Chiefs Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature - Page 12

**Reaper16** · 11-30-2010, 09:59 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...10/1/index.htm

Story broken up amongst 8 pages, so I'm not going to copy/paste the full text here.

Figured this would be of interest to us all here.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-01-2010, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

this forum is becoming one dimensional.

Becoming?

Marcellus · 12-01-2010, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You're ****ing stupid beyond belief.

You continually argue the poster not the post, you haven't said one thing to back up your opinion even though I have backed mine.

This is why many people believe it is hard or next to impossible to have a football discussion with you.

You continually complain that this place has gone downhill due to lack of football "talk" yet you argue without meaningful information to back your claims and think calling people stupid makes you correct.

Yes TB has a 2nd year QB and is starting many rookies. KC has many rookies contributing as well and is one of the most rookie dependent teams in the league which has been pointed out multiple times by national media. As I said, KC and TB are very similar yet you use TB as an argument to dispel what is going on in KC.

I haven't made one ridiculous or outlandish claim in this whole discussion yet you act like you just can't believe it.

You need to take a step back and realize just because someone doesn't agree doesn't mean they are wrong.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-01-2010, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You continually argue the poster not the post, you haven't said one thing to back up your opinion even though I have backed mine.

This is why many people believe it is hard or next to impossible to have a football discussion with you.

That is hysterical. While I think you're a ****ing joke of a poster, you spew so much fanboy bullshit that 99% of what you state is complete and utter nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

You continually complain that this place has gone downhill due to lack of football "talk" yet you argue without meaningful information to back your claims and think calling people stupid makes you correct.

Bullshit,

You're the guy that stated on several occasions, just as you did in this thread, that there are no second year regimes that are having success without a majority of talent from the prior regime.

That's ****ing bullshit. I gave you the Falcons, Lions and Bucs as an example, especially the Bucs, with a second year QB, first year RB and SEVEN rookie starters. You apparent no NOTHING about their team or their starters. Same with Detroit and Atlanta.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Yes TB has a 2nd year QB and is starting many rookies. KC has many rookies contributing as well and is one of the most rookie dependent teams in the league which has been pointed out multiple times by national media. As I said, KC and TB are very similar yet you use TB as an argument to dispel what is going on in KC.

Where did I say anything, positive or negative, about the Chiefs in regards to your bullshit statement?

Oh, that's right: I DIDN'T.

This is just yet another case of "Marcellus" pulling shit out of his ass because he knows absolutely NOTHING about the NFL or any football team outside of Kansas City.

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

I haven't made one ridiculous or outlandish claim in this whole discussion yet you act like you just can't believe it.

Except for your claims, which I've continually disputed. You should really give up.

And as far as arguing "the poster", you could change your username tomorrow and you'd still be a ****ing clueless dumbass.

Marcellus · 12-01-2010, 10:48 PM

Not going to bother to quote all your post.

1. Atlanta did not have huge succes their first 2 years with a ton of new players. You haven't shown anything to prove that and showed you a huge list of leftover players on that team.
2. The original comment I made was in regard to KC talent being based off of leftover players. As I stated and still believe that is typical.
3. Tampa may be younger than KC and may be an exception but the exception proves the rule. It's still an exception. I used the word rarely.
4. The Lions are better than their usual selves but still have not officially broken through. Sorry they are not in the playoff hunt nor do they look imminently close. Yes improved but that's not a massive suprise. The team has had how many high round picks the last 10 years? How could they not improve at some point?
5. Good night.

**DaneMcCloud** · 12-01-2010, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus

Not going to bother to quote all your post.

1. Atlanta did not have huge succes their first 2 years with a ton of new players. You haven't shown anything to prove that and showed you a huge list of leftover players on that team.
2. The original comment I made was in regard to KC talent being based off of leftover players. As I stated and still believe that is typical.
3. Tampa may be younger than KC and may be an exception but the exception proves the rule. It's still an exception. I used the word rarely.
4. The Lions are better than their usual selves but still have not officially broken through. Sorry they are not in the playoff hunt nor do they look imminently close. Yes improved but that's not a massive suprise. The team has had how many high round picks the last 10 years? How could they not improve at some point?
5. Good night.

So, you conceded that both Tampa Bay and Detroit are far more talented in year two of their new regimes but contend that your statement is still correct?

And many (if not all) of Matt Millen's high draft choices are gone from Detroit, which further weakens your argument.

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 12:49 AM

give me 5 players who have more impact in 2010 for their teams that were 2nd round picks than Dexter...

Just curious.

Hammock Parties · 12-02-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

give me 5 players who have more impact in 2010 for their teams that were 2nd round picks than Dexter...

Just curious.

This isn't hard.

Pat Angerer - 11 games, 6 starts, 61 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF

Brandon Spikes - 11 games, 8 starts, 54 tackles

Toby Gerhard - 162 yards rushing, 144 yards receiving, 1 TD

Daryl Washington - 11 games, 8 starts, 52 tackles, 1 sack

Zane Beadles - 11 games, 9 starts at tackle/guard

Lamarr Houston - 11 games, 10 starts, 24 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF

Rob Gronkowski - 11 games, 8 starts, 25 catches, 310 yards, 6 TD

Koa Misi - 11 games, 8 starts, 24 tackles, 3.5 sacks

Arellious Benn - 16 catches, 195 yards, 2 TD

TJ Ward - 11 starts, 87 tackles, 7 PDEF, 2 INT, 1 FF

Oh, and Javier Arenas, who was a pick that people actually hated MORE than McCluster, but so far has proven to be much more valuable, especially since he can, you know, actually STAY ON THE FIELD.

-King- · 12-02-2010, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

give me 5 players who have more impact in 2010 for their teams that were 2nd round picks than Dexter...

Just curious.

I've already asked 3 times in this thread. They can't answer it.
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Hootie · 12-02-2010, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Gif Horse

This isn't hard.

Pat Angerer - 11 games, 6 starts, 61 tackles, 1 sack, 1 FF

Brandon Spikes - 11 games, 8 starts, 54 tackles

Toby Gerhard - 162 yards rushing, 144 yards receiving, 1 TD

Daryl Washington - 11 games, 8 starts, 52 tackles, 1 sack

Zane Beadles - 11 games, 9 starts at tackle/guard

Lamarr Houston - 11 games, 10 starts, 24 tackles, 3 sacks, 1 FF

Rob Gronkowski - 11 games, 8 starts, 25 catches, 310 yards, 6 TD

Koa Misi - 11 games, 8 starts, 24 tackles, 3.5 sacks

Arellious Benn - 16 catches, 195 yards, 2 TD

TJ Ward - 11 starts, 87 tackles, 7 PDEF, 2 INT, 1 FF

Oh, and Javier Arenas, who was a pick that people actually hated MORE than McCluster, but so far has proven to be much more valuable, especially since he can, you know, actually STAY ON THE FIELD.

half of those are super debatable...if not all of them...

and Dex would have probably had just as much impact as any had he stayed healthy...

injuries happen

Hammock Parties · 12-02-2010, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

half of those are super debatable...if not all of them...

McCluster has had two decent games, and then he broke something. Because he's tiny.

It's not debatable. All of those players have had better rookie seasons.

Whether they are better picks remains to be seen but, shit...sure would be nice to have Koa Misi right now. Arellious Benn would be a very nice prospect at WR instead of "running back who motions to the slot once in awhile."

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 01:19 AM

Arrelious Benn, for one, HAS NOT had more impact than Dexter McCluster.

Why are you such a ****ing hater now?

**** off dude.

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 01:20 AM

dude goes out of his way to bash guys on the Chiefs...or picks by Pioli...

what does that remind everyone of?

Hammock Parties · 12-02-2010, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by The Meat Dragon

Arrelious Benn, for one, HAS NOT had more impact than Dexter McCluster.

Why are you such a ****ing hater now?

**** off dude.

It would seem to me he has been more productive as a wide receiver, no?

I bet they're not even CLOSE in year two.

**BossChief** · 12-02-2010, 01:22 AM

I cant wait to see what Dexter does in this current offense with the way Bowe, Charles and most importantly Cassel are playing.

Hootie · 12-02-2010, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I cant wait to see what Dexter does in this current offense with the way Bowe, Charles and most importantly Cassel are playing.

This.

These dumb****s want to tell us how much numbers don't mean...

well Dexter's impact has nothing to with his numbers...he's a football player through and through and a nightmare for coordinators to gameplan against...he can run and he can catch...

but whatever...

GoChiefs the new drafturbator wannabe....good job dude!

11-30-2010, 09:59 PM
Reaper16 Eat/Sleep/Procrastinate/Repeat Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Dystopia Casino cash: $10017397	Joe Posnanski: big SI Scott Pioli feature http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vau...10/1/index.htm Story broken up amongst 8 pages, so I'm not going to copy/paste the full text here. Figured this would be of interest to us all here.
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12-01-2010, 10:48 PM	#169
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-457338	Not going to bother to quote all your post. 1. Atlanta did not have huge succes their first 2 years with a ton of new players. You haven't shown anything to prove that and showed you a huge list of leftover players on that team. 2. The original comment I made was in regard to KC talent being based off of leftover players. As I stated and still believe that is typical. 3. Tampa may be younger than KC and may be an exception but the exception proves the rule. It's still an exception. I used the word rarely. 4. The Lions are better than their usual selves but still have not officially broken through. Sorry they are not in the playoff hunt nor do they look imminently close. Yes improved but that's not a massive suprise. The team has had how many high round picks the last 10 years? How could they not improve at some point? 5. Good night.
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12-02-2010, 12:49 AM	#171
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	give me 5 players who have more impact in 2010 for their teams that were 2nd round picks than Dexter... Just curious.
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12-02-2010, 01:19 AM	#176
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Arrelious Benn, for one, HAS NOT had more impact than Dexter McCluster. Why are you such a **ing hater now? ** off dude.
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12-02-2010, 01:20 AM	#177
Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	dude goes out of his way to bash guys on the Chiefs...or picks by Pioli... what does that remind everyone of?
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12-02-2010, 01:22 AM	#179
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1705912	I cant wait to see what Dexter does in this current offense with the way Bowe, Charles and most importantly Cassel are playing. __________________ Dreams do come true... http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=1407
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