Football Should Penn State Get the Death Penalty? - Page 12

**Trivers** · 07-12-2012, 12:14 PM

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/481264...lege_football/

Looks like officials are going from Penn State to state pen. (Sorry, I couldn't help myself.)

What say ye? If so, for how long?

Ace Gunner · 07-13-2012, 12:41 PM

The Pennsylvania State University, commonly referred to as Penn State or PSU, is a public research university with campuses and facilities throughout the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, United States. Founded in 1855, the university has a threefold mission of teaching, research, and public service. Its instructional mission[6] includes undergraduate, graduate, professional and continuing education offered through resident instruction and online delivery. Its University Park campus, the flagship campus, lies within the Borough of State College and College Township. The Penn State Dickinson School of Law has facilities located in both Carlisle and State College and the College of Medicine is located in Hershey. Penn State has another 19 commonwealth campuses and 5 special-mission campuses located across the state.[7]

Penn State University is ranked among the top-fifteen public universities nationally[8] and is considered to be one of America's Public Ivy universities, which recognizes top public research universities in the United States.[9][10] Annual enrollment at the University Park campus totals more than 44,000 graduate and undergraduate students, making it one of the largest universities in the United States. It has the world's largest dues-paying alumni association.[11] The university's total enrollment in 2009–10 was approximately 94,300 across its 24 campuses[12] and online through its World Campus.[13]

The university offers more than 160 majors among all its campuses[14] and administers $1,831.1 billion (as of June 30, 2011) in endowment and similar funds.[15] The university's research expenditures exceeded $753 million for the 2009 fiscal year and was ranked 9th among U.S. universities in research income[16] by the National Science Foundation.

Annually, the university hosts the Penn State IFC/Panhellenic Dance Marathon (THON), which is the world's largest student-run philanthropy.[17] The university's athletics teams compete in Division I of the NCAA and are collectively known as the Penn State Nittany Lions. They compete in the Big Ten Conference for most sports.

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I'm pretty sure this U will survive post sandudsky. They should never be allowed to field a football team again, imo.

chiefzilla1501 · 07-13-2012, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

And they earned every cut

too big/important to punish is complete and utter bullshit ... it leads to wall street/Big bank/toxic dumping/BP oil spill/Big Government level corruptions and problems.

You do want is right and pay the penalty ... make sure it doesn't happen again.

anything less and it just muddies the waters for the future and creates more problems.

PSU is strong enough to survive 2 years of no football ... and they should have to to send a message to everyone else.

Who is "they"? Please enlighten me. "They" are going to get the hammer on them. Those who covered it up, there's a special place in hell for them, not to mention the major penalties they'll undoubtedly see as a result. The law is not going to go soft on them. Those responsible are going to get hit hard.

The "they" you are referring to are thousands of innocent students who did not cover this up. The "they" you are referring to are the thousands of faculty, staff, and administrators that rely on Penn State as a job to feed their families. The "they" you are referring to are the millions of Penn State taxpayers who are paying millions in taxes to fund the investigation and aftermath of this whole mess (deserved), and now you're asking them to also pay for the massive financial problems Penn State will incur as a result of sanctions. The "they" you are talking about... you are talking about ****ing with an entire state's lifeblood to prove a point, maybe for as long as 20 years. The "they" you are talking about are all non-football PSU athletes -- PSU football pretty much funds all of them. Clean athletes may be stripped of scholarships and forced to transfer schools, even if they love it there.

Who are you trying to stick it to exactly? Because the guys responsible are going to get hammered... hard. The football program is going to take a very long time to recover from this, sanctions or no sanctions. But I suppose you have the ridiculous belief that the entire state of Pennsylvania and students/faculty of the school should be punished, because they were too big of football fans.

Mr. Laz · 07-13-2012, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Violations regarding recruiting college athletes, betting on collegiate athletics, etc; are collegiate athletic issues that are dealt with by an association for collegiate athletics.

Raping a child is a legal issue... doesn't matter if was the head coach of the football team or the physics professor, it's not an collegiate athletics issue. It's a legal issue. And in this case, it's also a matter of following the Clery Act, which is being investigated by the Department of Education.

No one is arguing the acts are worse than when SMU got the death penalty, but SMU's problems were athletic violations.

If you text an athlete too many times, the cops aren't going to get involved. The NCAA will though, because it's an NCAA rule. Not a legal one.

texting isn't illegal but raping children is illegal AND against NCAA rules.

At least i would hope that murder,raping,terrorism etc are against NCAA rules.

I would think that most felonious acts are against NCAA rules.

I hope the leaders of the NCAA don't have the same low expectations for their organization as you do.

Chiefnj2 · 07-13-2012, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In Candyland, this is the way it works.

On Planet Earth, all major D-1 Universities rely heavily on alumni donations that are largely a product of how good the athletic team is.

If your view is that the entire school is just a shell where only football matters and is THE most important thing, then maybe the school should be closed down.

vailpass · 07-13-2012, 12:50 PM

Grown men that can't separate fact from emotion are pitiable.

Mr. Laz · 07-13-2012, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Who is "they"? Please enlighten me. "They" are going to get the hammer on them. Those who covered it up, there's a special place in hell for them, not to mention the major penalties they'll undoubtedly see as a result. The law is not going to go soft on them. Those responsible are going to get hit hard.

The "they" you are referring to are thousands of innocent students who did not cover this up. The "they" you are referring to are the thousands of faculty, staff, and administrators that rely on Penn State as a job to feed their families. The "they" you are referring to are the millions of Penn State taxpayers who are paying millions in taxes to fund the investigation and aftermath of this whole mess (deserved), and now you're asking them to also pay for the massive financial problems Penn State will incur as a result of sanctions. The "they" you are talking about... you are talking about ****ing with an entire state's lifeblood to prove a point, maybe for as long as 20 years. The "they" you are talking about are all non-football PSU athletes -- PSU football pretty much funds all of them. Clean athletes may be stripped of scholarships and forced to transfer schools, even if they love it there.

Who are you trying to stick it to exactly? Because the guys responsible are going to get hammered... hard. The football program is going to take a very long time to recover from this, sanctions or no sanctions. But I suppose you have the ridiculous belief that the entire state of Pennsylvania and students/faculty of the school should be punished, because they were too big of football fans.

University President
University Vice President
University Athletic Director
Head Football coach and Demigod

How much of a bigger representation of a University can you possible have?

people are trying to expand the scope to try and weasel out of a penalty.

The football program alone should be penalized. The NCAA should try and reduce collateral damage by allow all football coaches,personal and players out of their contracts and commitments without penalty.

anything else is just an excuse

Mr. Laz · 07-13-2012, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Grown men that can't separate fact from emotion are pitiable.

you're right but i have confidence that you'll get better

**Bearcat** · 07-13-2012, 12:57 PM

vailpass · 07-13-2012, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

you're right but i have confidence that you'll get better

Ouch!

**Bearcat** · 07-13-2012, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

texting isn't illegal but raping children is illegal AND against NCAA rules.

At least i would hope that murder,raping,terrorism etc are against NCAA rules.

I would think that most felonious acts are against NCAA rules.

I hope the leaders of the NCAA don't have the same low expectations for their organization as you do.

Seriously though, it's not against NCAA rules per se, because it's against the law. If you murder someone, your company isn't going to run to HR and look up the 'murder' section of the HR handbook... they're going to turn you over to the police.

My knee-jerk reaction was to vote yes in the poll, but had a 'duh' moment when I realized oh yeah, it has nothing to do with PSU athletes... PSU will be held responsible for the Clery Act.

If you can find an NCAA rule that was broken, post it. It's all on ncaa.org.

**Saulbadguy** · 07-13-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

**Saulbadguy** · 07-13-2012, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by vailpass

Grown men that can't separate fact from emotion are pitiable.

vailpass, the voice of reason.

|Zach| · 07-13-2012, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

Seriously though, it's not against NCAA rules per se, because it's against the law. If you murder someone, your company isn't going to run to HR and look up the 'murder' section of the HR handbook... they're going to turn you over to the police.

This be the reason.

**TimeForWasp** · 07-13-2012, 01:12 PM

They should change the school name to State Pen State.

Mr. Laz · 07-13-2012, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Bearcat

If you murder someone, your company isn't going to run to HR and look up the 'murder' section of the HR handbook... they're going to turn you over to the police.

If you murder someone, your company is going to turn you over to the police AND FIRE YOU.

Penn state didn't even fire Sandusky, they let him retire as a “valued member of the Penn State football legacy.” They then let Sandusky continue to work through Penn State with his foundation and continue to rape kids.

now the NCAA needs to do what it does and that is issues sanctions against the University itself for allowing such a situation to occur for such a long time.

EVERY KEY person of power at Penn State University contributed to a conspiracy to commit Child molestation.

The NCAA needs to set a real world standard for such a criminal lack of institutional control.

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