Chiefs I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. - Page 12

Coogs · 09-03-2012, 01:26 PM

Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn.

I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week.

Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards.

Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards.

The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills.

Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily.

The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together.

Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players.

3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down.

3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down.

3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured.

Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD.

That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them.

I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.

Deberg_1990 · 09-04-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What's funny is if ANYONE on this board actually thinks your posts have any substance to them. You've now fallen below R8ers and Setsuna. You're the most worthless poster on this board.

Seriously??? Because he doesn’t bow at the altar of Stanzi and Quinn, hes looked at like he holds some extreme opinion? Really???
Good lord, how much this board has been taken over by idiots and trolls.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Quinn's career never really got off to a start at all. His situation in Cleveland was ****ed. He got injured...and then lost the coach that drafted him. Mangini ****ed up that whole situation. He went to Denver. Could he have shined and made the Broncos start him over Tebow? Sure. But I still think that Denver wasn't going to blow a 1st round pick on Tebow and then not give him a shot. He came here....and he's still ****ed because Pioli isn't benching Cassel.

I really don't think starting for that Broncos team would have done him any favors. A shot with us, on the other hand, could do wonders for his career, but he's gonna have to look a lot better than he did the other night, obviously, and i truly believe with some playing time, he would.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yet your posts do?

Little man, go away...

Yeah. I actually bring some form of discussion to this board. Since I've been here....your posts have been one big cluster**** of bullshit and reeruned smack talk.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 10:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Seriously??? Because he doesn’t bow at the altar of Stanzi and Quinn, hes looked at like he holds some extreme opinion? Really???
Good lord, how much this board has been taken over by idiots and trolls.

No shit... Why would anyone bow down to any of these 3 QB's... They all suck the ballsack...

I agree. I miss the good days of football discussion.

beach tribe · 09-04-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

What's funny is if ANYONE on this board actually thinks your posts have any substance to them. You've now fallen below R8ers and Setsuna. You're the most worthless poster on this board.

That's a pretty strong statement, Dude. there are some really, really bad posters on this board now days. I actually think RR is better now than he was when every single post he made was "Herm sucks".
We now have guys like bonekrusher who literally posts some form of "Cassel sucks" with EVERY single post, just over, and over and over.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Yeah. I actually bring some form of discussion to this board. Since I've been here....your posts have been one big cluster**** of bullshit and reeruned smack talk.

Yeah, I just cant get into the "some form of discussion" when it comes to rehashing the same bullshit and cliches about the QB as you do...

YOU carry on and we will leave the football talk to the grown ups...

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by beach tribe

Dude, there are some reall, really bad posters on this board now days. That's a pretty strong statement. I actually think RR is better now than he was when every single post he made was "Herm sucks".
We now have guys like bonekrusher who literally posts some form of "Cassel sucks" with EVERY single post, just over, and over and over.

No worries. Its funny how people get so worked up when I come in and make fun of the so called football discussions on the QB's...

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Yeah, I just cant get into the "some form of discussion" when it comes to rehashing the same bullshit and cliches about the QB as you do...

YOU carry on and we will leave the football talk to the grown ups...

Link me to your latest post that can be considered actual football discussion. I've yet to see any from you.

Black Bob · 09-04-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

And before someone comes out and calls me a Quinn homer.......I'm not saying that if Quinn was starting....that he would be out competing with Brady, Brees or Rodgers. He's not that type of QB. But he is better than Cassel....and he won't go out there and just complete checkdown passes to McCluster all ****ing game.

In my short time here, I find that your posts generally suck ass.

Reerun_KC · 09-04-2012, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Link me to your latest post that can be considered actual football discussion. I've yet to see any from you.

Arent we discussing football right now?

Setsuna · 09-04-2012, 10:39 AM

Le sigh. Pestilence trying to champion his homeboy. I'm about 99% sure if Quinn is given a chance to start and teams are given the normal amount of time to game plan for him, he will crash and burn and we can put this crap to rest.

**The Franchise** · 09-04-2012, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackBob

In my short time here, I find that your posts generally suck ass.

It's a good thing I don't value your opinion at all. Go back and tell me how you saw Pitoitua playing NT in the 1st QTR.

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

Arent we discussing football right now?

The people in this thread were. You, however, are not.

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Originally Posted by Setsuna

Le sigh. Pestilence trying to champion his homeboy. I'm about 99% sure if Quinn is given a chance to start and teams are given the normal amount of time to game plan for him, he will crash and burn and we can put this crap to rest.

All I'm saying is give him a shot......if he fails....then he has no excuses. Even you had to admit (before the INT) that he was playing better than you expected him too.

Chiefnj2 · 09-04-2012, 10:46 AM

The general view of QB's on this board is so over the top.

Every single Cassel pass is scrutinized more than the god damn Zapruder film. People hate Cassel so much they look to nitpit every thing the guy does. He can throw a 9 yard pass that the WR takes for an additional 20 yards, and instead of being mildly pleased with a 29 yard gain the response is - he didn't hit him in stride, he missed a wide open Baldwin 50 yards down the field, he didn't go through his progressions, his footwork was laughable on that drop back, what a weak throw, he held the ball too long, etc.

Multiple INTs in the endzone by a backup and it is - you know if you look at it with an open mind he did a really good job. The INT wasn't really his fault, the receiver gave up, he didn't have enough time with those receivers, he made better reads leading up to the pass, his footwork is much better, his release was much better, they only scored 7 points but the offense was much, much more efficient.

Debating about wether Orton, Quinn, Wallace, Thigpen, Stanzi or Cassel is the guy to put KC over top? Really? That's the debate that gets people into a fervor? Which third tier QB is the best?

htismaqe · 09-04-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

No shit... Why would anyone bow down to any of these 3 QB's... They all suck the ballsack...

I agree. I miss the good days of football discussion.

Since the day you arrived, you've spent an inordinate amount of time laughing at other people rather than adding opinions of your own.

You know this to be true.

Deberg_1990 · 09-04-2012, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

All I'm saying is give him a shot......if he fails....then he has no excuses. Even you had to admit (before the INT) that he was playing better than you expected him too.

Didnt he have his shot in Cleveland?

09-03-2012, 01:26 PM
Coogs In Search of a Life Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Northern Kansas Casino cash: $-2145651	I think the QB of the future may be on our roster already. Laugh if you must, but I really think the QB we are looking for might be Brady Quinn. I re-watched the game from last Thursday this morning. All-in-all, I felt like Quinn was very sharp... given the fact that he just started getting some time with the first string players earlier in the week. Cassel's only pass, and Quinn's first pass were nearly the identical same play. Bowe had to go to the ground to catch Cassel's throw. Breaston caught Quinn's right were the ball should have been thrown, and turned it up-field for 3 or so more yards. Quinn's 2nd pass was a beautifully thrown ball that hit Baldwin right in stride, and Baldwin was able to turn it up for several more yards. The next two passes were highly criticized around here after/since the game. I did not see that much there that can not be fixed... once Quinn gets more time with the #1's to get timing issues worked out. All thorughout OTA's and Training Camp, I never recall hearing Quinn (or Stanzi) making any plays with any #1 receivers. Not even during drills. Anyway. On the first one, as slant pass to Baldwin, it looks like just a matter of timing. They were on the same page... but just didn't connect. More reps together to develop some chemistry, and that is a TD easily. The next play... which was an Interception that was negated by a penalty on the Packers... that had a whistle blown in the middle of the play... it appeared that Baldwin and Quinn were not on the same page. Quinn's pass appeared that he expected Baldwin to go inside instead of on the fade route that Baldwin ran. Again, more reps together to develop the right chemistry so they are reading the right thing. Baldwin cuts inside, and that is a TD. Quinn throws the fade pass, and it is also probably a TD. Not on same page. That has to be understandable given the minimal amount of time the two have had together. Next drive was all backups. Line and skill players. 3rd and 7. Hits Bellamy right on the button for an easy first down. 3rd and 9. Hits Manari right on the numbers for another first down. 3rd and 8. QB draw type of run that would have made Elway proud right up to the non-slide that got him slightly injured. Then the next pass that has been widely criticized around here. The Interception on the back of the endzone. Again, this was with his backups and not the starters, which gives no excuse to Quinn. BUT... he starts out looking to his left. Staying with his progression, he moves to the middle of the field. At this point, Harris is getting his ass kicked by a Packers defender causing Quinn to have to step up into the pocket, which is collapsing under the 2nd string line. A half of a second more at the most, and Manari is comming wide open on a TE drag across just a little right of where Quinn made the decision to throw. Tiny bit better pocket, and that ball goes to Manari if Quinn has the time to finish his reads and that is an easy TD. That is all the further I watched. And that was all the further I needed to watch. I am convinced Quinn is going to be just what the doctor ordered for this team. All he needs is more time with the #1's to get on the same page with them. I know Cassel is the starter for now. I can accept that. He is not the best QB though. And it is not even going to be close... in time.
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Setsuna Paladin Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Gator Country Casino cash: $10008487	Le sigh. Pestilence trying to champion his homeboy. I'm about 99% sure if Quinn is given a chance to start and teams are given the normal amount of time to game plan for him, he will crash and burn and we can put this crap to rest.
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09-04-2012, 10:46 AM	#178
Chiefnj2 In Search of a Life Join Date: Mar 2007 Casino cash: $6664388	The general view of QB's on this board is so over the top. Every single Cassel pass is scrutinized more than the god damn Zapruder film. People hate Cassel so much they look to nitpit every thing the guy does. He can throw a 9 yard pass that the WR takes for an additional 20 yards, and instead of being mildly pleased with a 29 yard gain the response is - he didn't hit him in stride, he missed a wide open Baldwin 50 yards down the field, he didn't go through his progressions, his footwork was laughable on that drop back, what a weak throw, he held the ball too long, etc. Multiple INTs in the endzone by a backup and it is - you know if you look at it with an open mind he did a really good job. The INT wasn't really his fault, the receiver gave up, he didn't have enough time with those receivers, he made better reads leading up to the pass, his footwork is much better, his release was much better, they only scored 7 points but the offense was much, much more efficient. Debating about wether Orton, Quinn, Wallace, Thigpen, Stanzi or Cassel is the guy to put KC over top? Really? That's the debate that gets people into a fervor? Which third tier QB is the best?
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