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ShowtimeSBMVP · 09-18-2012, 11:31 AM

Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start
By ADAM TEICHER
The Kansas City Star

Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start.

But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season.

“If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that.

“(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.”

The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee.

As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.”

Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster.

“I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap.

“It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.”

Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season.

“We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing.

Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround.

Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league.

Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.”

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy

kcxiv · 09-18-2012, 11:27 PM

cheap or not, this has been an absolute ****ing failure. like Whitlock said, Cassel was the original sin. ONce he signed that qb to a contract it was all bad from there. Its like Cassel would be a back up to not even on a NFL roster if it wasnt for Pioli.

Also, 4 ****ing draft picks and not 1 person in them 4 drafts is an difference maker on the FIELD. WHen you draft 3-5-11 you have to ****ing get some kind of production and we relaly havent. Berry was almost there, but he's not right now.

**Rausch** · 09-18-2012, 11:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Pioli

“It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.”

How many super bowls do the top 5 paid QB's have?

How many do the bottom 5 have?

There's your correlation ****stick...

**BossChief** · 09-18-2012, 11:31 PM

With all due respect, dont you think you're being a bit stubborn here?

DJ
Hali
Charles
Flowers

All of them got competitive guaranteed money if you are being fair in your assessment of "competitive".

How can anyone call them cheap without knowing what Bowes actual demands are?

I mean, I laid the groundwork for the best possible educated guess on what it could be (45-50) and that's DOUBLE what you speculated to earlier.

Is Clark cheap if he doesn't DOUBLE what YOU saw as a reasonable guess?

**the Talking Can** · 09-18-2012, 11:36 PM

pioli says a lot of stupid shit

Hammock Parties · 09-18-2012, 11:37 PM

How much is Matt due next year? Like 9 million?

If Scott and Matt are both back next season, and Matt isn't asked to take a pay cut, we needs to stage a walkout or something.

NJChiefsFan · 09-18-2012, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

How much is Matt due next year? Like 9 million?

If Scott and Matt are both back next season, and Matt isn't asked to take a pay cut, we needs to stage a walkout or something.

If Matt is playing for $10 I would still want the fans to do it.

**BossChief** · 09-18-2012, 11:40 PM

7.5 in 2013
9 in 2014

He should be forced to take a paycut down to like 2.5 million max and we shouldn't lose anybody except him if he doesn't agree.

I wonder if NE would want him back for Mallett...if we threw in sweeteners.

Hammock Parties · 09-18-2012, 11:44 PM

Like aspartame?

gold_and_red · 09-19-2012, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

How much is Matt due next year? Like 9 million?

If Scott and Matt are both back next season, and Matt isn't asked to take a roster cut, we needs to stage a walkout or something.

FYP

**DaneMcCloud** · 09-19-2012, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

With all due respect, dont you think you're being a bit stubborn here?

DJ
Hali
Charles
Flowers

Big ****ing deal.

How many superstar Baltimore Ravens have been allowed to walk in their prime? Pittsburgh Steelers? NY Giants?

Four guys don't make a team.

You need to get over this shit.

**New World Order** · 09-19-2012, 12:31 AM

This shit is awful, atleast the Cleveland Browns have a new owner that will likely clean house after they go 3-13, I have a feeling it will be like this for the next couple of seasons

**BossChief** · 09-19-2012, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Big ****ing deal.

How many superstar Baltimore Ravens have been allowed to walk in their prime? Pittsburgh Steelers? NY Giants?

Four guys don't make a team.

You need to get over this shit.

Let's not be so quick to label Brandon Carr a "superstar", either. He is a very very solid second corner but he doesn't get a lot of picks or cause a lot of fumbles and he isn't "special" in run support, either. He is a very very solid #2 cover corner...NOT a "superstar".

All of those teams have let guys walk. It's part of the NFL...The Texans had to let Mario Williams walk and they cut Winston as well as a couple others.

Giants:
Manningham
Ross
Smith
They have been playing similar games with Osi for quite some time

Ravens
Grubbs
Johnson
A bunch of quality players other than those, too. 2 good safeties and Cory Redding.

Steelers are doing with Wallace what we are with Bowe and the two players have the same agent...the same agent Branden Albert USED to have before he fired him...and let's not act as if they don't let players walk because they do.
They offer a fair deal and don't overpay, that's the Rooney way. If the player chooses to walk, so be it...that's what's happening with Wallace right now.

**New World Order** · 09-19-2012, 12:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BossChief

Let's not be so quick to label Brandon Carr a "superstar", either. He is a very very solid second corner but he doesn't get a lot of picks or cause a lot of fumbles and he isn't "special" in run support, either. He is a very very solid #2 cover corner...NOT a "superstar".

All of those teams have let guys walk. It's part of the NFL...The Texans had to let Mario Williams walk and they cut Winston as well as a couple others.

Giants:
Manningham
Ross
Smith
They have been playing similar games with Osi for quite some time

Ravens
Grubbs
Johnson
A bunch of quality players other than those, too. 2 good safeties and Cory Redding.

Steelers are doing with Wallace what we are with Bowe and the two players have the same agent...the same agent Branden Albert USED to have before he fired him...and let's not act as if they don't let players walk because they do.
They offer a fair deal and don't overpay, that's the Rooney way. If the player chooses to walk, so be it...that's what's happening with Wallace right now.

Those teams all have talent in those areas because they have drafted well or brought in the proper FA acquisitions, we didn't.

We have no depth at CB, None.

**BossChief** · 09-19-2012, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order

Those teams all have talent in those areas because they have drafted well or brought in the proper FA acquisitions, we didn't.

We have no depth at CB, None.

Routt is an adequate replacement and the move frees up 3.5 million to use elsewhere (maybe ends up going to either Albert or Bowe) and gives us a third round pick as well.

We do have depth at corner...it's just hurt (Brown fared well against Fitzgerald in ps prior to getting hurt) or stupidly moved to another position (Daniels)

Chiefspants · 09-19-2012, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by New World Order

Those teams all have talent in those areas because they have drafted well or brought in the proper FA acquisitions, we didn't.

We have no depth at CB, None.

And that's what it comes down to. Look, I'm fine with cutting ties with Carr, but ****, don't allow our secondary to lie in shambles for the following season.

I do not know if Clark is cheap, but he and Pioli seem to be incredibly inept at identifying talent, which explains the positions of Pioli, Cassel, Haley, Crennel, and the problems which currently plague the entirety of the team.

I may be nineteen years old, but watching this team makes me feel like a crusty and weathered old man.

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ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1306009	Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start Pioli says Chiefs can turn around after 0-2 start By ADAM TEICHER The Kansas City Star Like seemingly much of Kansas City, general manager Scott Pioli is more than a little stunned by the Chiefs’ 0-2 start. But Pioli said Tuesday that his confidence in the Chiefs is not shaken and he remains convinced the Chiefs can still make something of their season. “If any one of us knew what the answer was, we wouldn’t be sitting where we’re sitting right now,” Pioli said. “But I also don’t think it’s the end of the world. We have 14 games left. We’re certainly digging a hole but it’s not something we can’t get out of. Everyone within the organization is disappointed in the results so far. We’re all surprised because I don’t think any one of us went into the season thinking we would be 0-2. I don’t think any of us anticipated that. “(He expects the Chiefs) to improve, get better and start winning some games in whatever order that is. Those are my expectations, but I want to be clear those are mine and our expectations. I think those are the players’ expectations, the coaching staff, the fan base. Our expectations at the beginning of this year were that we were going to be winning games. Right now, we haven’t done that. (But) we’re two games into a 16-game season.” The Chiefs are one of six 0-2 teams in the NFL, but they weren’t close to winning either game. Their scoring differential of minus-34 points is second-worst in the league behind only Tennessee. As the general manager, Pioli built the roster. Asked whether he was guilty of overestimating the abilities of some of the Chiefs’ players, Pioli said, “We think the roster is good enough. I think it is. Now it comes down to executing. We improved this team through free agency and did quite a bit of spending to improve this team whether it was contract extensions or the signing of other players. Time will tell if it was enough. I think it was.” Regarding their spending, figures supplied by the NFL Players Association showed the Chiefs to have more than $26 million in available room under the league’s salary cap. Pioli said he didn’t regret not using more of that available cap space when the Chiefs built their roster. “I think there are things we did do that helped this football team,” Pioli said. “I also know for a fact that this year alone we’re spending over $141 million in cash this year. That’s more than $20 million over the cap. “It’s been proven time and time again that there’s not a direct correlation between spending cap dollars and winning. There’s not.” Pioli said the Chiefs would need to allocate some of their available 2012 salary cap space toward the 2013 cap. He didn’t provide 2013 cap figures, but his comments indicate the Chiefs might otherwise be snug against the cap next season. “We had better have cap room this year to roll over for next year to make sure we’re (in good shape),” Pioli said. “(Using available salary cap space) is not a year-by-year, fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants thing. Pioli during the offseason also hired Romeo Crennel as head coach, promoting him from defensive coordinator. Crennel finished last season as the interim coach. The Chiefs went 2-1 in those games and fell just short of making the playoffs and completing a dramatic turnaround. Crennel remains the defensive coordinator this season as well. But the poor play of the Chiefs’ defense is a big reason for the 0-2 start. They have allowed 75 points, which is tied for worst in the league. Asked whether Crennel was the right coach to direct the Chiefs out of their hole, Pioli said, “Absolutely he is. I think he’s doing a good job. I really do.” Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/09/18...#storylink=cpy
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