Geno Smith is not worth the 1st overall pick

[BWillie]

I know you guys don't want to hear this but I would trade down if it guarantees we can still get one of the Top 3 to 4 QBs. There just aren't any this year that are worthy of the #1 pick and you are splitting hairs between the top QB's so it really doesn't make much of a difference. With that said, there probably isn't going to be a suitor to get a good deal to trade down just due to the top players available and the other needs of teams towards the top.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by BWillie

I know you guys don't want to hear this but I would trade down if it guarantees we can still get one of the Top 3 to 4 QBs. There just aren't any this year that are worthy of the #1 pick and you are splitting hairs between the top QB's so it really doesn't make much of a difference. With that said, there probably isn't going to be a suitor to get a good deal to trade down just due to the top players available and the other needs of teams towards the top.

If there aren't any QBs in this draft worth the #1 overall pick, who is going to want to trade up?

Like you said, trading down sounds great until you realize that if we, with a 2-14 record and no QB, don't want the #1 pick, nobody else wants it either.

[duncan_idaho]

Here's my thing:

This draft doesn't HAVE a sure thing. Everyone has warts. There isn't a sure-fire guy at an impact position.

Yeah, Geno Smith has some question marks. Yeah, there are some QBs who are similar (though Glennon is really the only one that has the tools to match Smith's ultimate upside).

But how do the other top prospects hold up if you shine the same light on them that's being shined on Smith?

Let's talk about Luke Joekel, since he's a hot name right now. He's great in pass pro, in the phone booth or on an island, and he's got great, choppy feet. But he also is only an average run blocker at the NFL level and lacks the strength/bulk to dominate in that regard. If you're taking a tackle first overall, he'd better be a guy that dominates in both phases of the offensive game. And is he REALLY that much better than Jake Matthews (who could be available anywhere from 5-15)? Matthews isn't quite as stellar in pass pro but is much better rounded. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Matthews has a better pro career.

What about Star Lutuli? Also a hot name. But compare him to some of the other stud DTs that are first-rounders (Hankins, Floyd, Richardson, etc). IS there really a big separation? Is he MORE of a sure thing than any of them? And does KC REALLY need to spend another first-round pick on a DT (That has worked SO well)...

And, finally, my FAVORITE: Manti Te'o. He's a highly productive player at a position that is NOT a premium spot in the NFL. He's an average CFB athlete and likely below-average in terms of NFL athleticism. He's also not an impact player rushing the QB. Best case scenario for him is probably being as good as Derrick Johnson. How big a difference does it make taking Te'o at 1 vs. the guy from Stanford or someone similar in Round 3?

My point: If you're going to reach for a player - which the Chiefs are going to be doing if they stay at No. 1 regardless - reach for the best guy at the highest impact position. I see Smith and Joekel as similar risks, so I say Smith.

No, Geno Smith is not Andrew Luck or RG3 (at least not at this point). But Joekel is sure as hell not Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace. Manti Te'o is sure as hell not Brian Urlacher. Lutuli is sure as hell not Ndamuhkong Suh.

[ChiefsCountry]

The last two games without Barkley showed what he is really worth. The all-world talent around him sure didn't put up the same stats and show that they did with Barkley.

[HolyHat]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The last two games without Barkley showed what he is really worth. The all-world talent around him sure didn't put up the same stats and show that they did with Barkley.

USC sucked with and without Barkley. Barkley is weak sauce like every other USC QB.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by @KCsporting

USC sucked with and without Barkley. Barkley is weak sauce like every other USC QB.

Barkley is:

Short, slow and doesn't have great arm strength (it's good enough but not great). He does, however, have great mechanics and is very bright (and sometimes effective at reading defenses).

Sounds like a future game manager to me.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Here's my thing:

This draft doesn't HAVE a sure thing. Everyone has warts. There isn't a sure-fire guy at an impact position.

Yeah, Geno Smith has some question marks. Yeah, there are some QBs who are similar (though Glennon is really the only one that has the tools to match Smith's ultimate upside).

But how do the other top prospects hold up if you shine the same light on them that's being shined on Smith?

Let's talk about Luke Joekel, since he's a hot name right now. He's great in pass pro, in the phone booth or on an island, and he's got great, choppy feet. But he also is only an average run blocker at the NFL level and lacks the strength/bulk to dominate in that regard. If you're taking a tackle first overall, he'd better be a guy that dominates in both phases of the offensive game. And is he REALLY that much better than Jake Matthews (who could be available anywhere from 5-15)? Matthews isn't quite as stellar in pass pro but is much better rounded. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Matthews has a better pro career.

What about Star Lutuli? Also a hot name. But compare him to some of the other stud DTs that are first-rounders (Hankins, Floyd, Richardson, etc). IS there really a big separation? Is he MORE of a sure thing than any of them? And does KC REALLY need to spend another first-round pick on a DT (That has worked SO well)...

And, finally, my FAVORITE: Manti Te'o. He's a highly productive player at a position that is NOT a premium spot in the NFL. He's an average CFB athlete and likely below-average in terms of NFL athleticism. He's also not an impact player rushing the QB. Best case scenario for him is probably being as good as Derrick Johnson. How big a difference does it make taking Te'o at 1 vs. the guy from Stanford or someone similar in Round 3?

My point: If you're going to reach for a player - which the Chiefs are going to be doing if they stay at No. 1 regardless - reach for the best guy at the highest impact position. I see Smith and Joekel as similar risks, so I say Smith.

No, Geno Smith is not Andrew Luck or RG3 (at least not at this point). But Joekel is sure as hell not Joe Thomas, Jonathan Ogden or Orlando Pace. Manti Te'o is sure as hell not Brian Urlacher. Lutuli is sure as hell not Ndamuhkong Suh.

Superb.

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

The last two games without Barkley showed what he is really worth. The all-world talent around him sure didn't put up the same stats and show that they did with Barkley.

I'm at the point where I'm giving my full support and leeway behind whoever the new coach thinks is the best QB. If that's Barkley, then I'm behind it with patience. Same with Wilson or Bray or Glennon or Smith.

[Buckweath]

It is a certainty that the Chiefs will draft a QB at #1 overall, like it or not.

The name of the game is QB.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Superb.



I'm at the point where I'm giving my full support and leeway behind whoever the new coach thinks is the best QB. If that's Barkley, then I'm behind it with patience. Same with Wilson or Bray or Glennon or Smith.

My only problem with Tyler Bray is that he's a headcase/terrible person. He's Roethlisberger-esque in that regard.

I also personally watched him get completely shut down by a Dave Steckel defense.

Other than that, hard to disagree.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

Superb.



I'm at the point where I'm giving my full support and leeway behind whoever the new coach thinks is the best QB. If that's Barkley, then I'm behind it with patience. Same with Wilson or Bray or Glennon or Smith.

Absolutely. I don't like Barkley. I'm not a pro. I've missed on plenty of QB's coming out, and hit on plenty as well. Just an armchair guy without the knowledge the pros have. I'll trust WHOMEVER our new coach decides is the best QB in the draft.

[Molitoth]

Narrow Head walks into a bar. After some drinks he decides that he is horny and wants to have the best sex of his life.

He see's this sexy chick just sitting there being talked to by all these other dudes. Just waiting to be snatched up and taken off to be fucked. She likes Narrow Head and claims she will give him everything he wants.

Narrow Head is skeptical. He is having thoughts that she could be high maintenance, or a bitch, but my god could this be a trophy wife. This chick is so hot, it could make HIM famous. The media would be all over him like he was the next big thing.

Narrow Head looks around and spots a fat shy chick sitting by herself. The same girl that nobody else is looking at. He knows she will be intimidated, low maintenance, and probably not cause him much trouble, which is nice... but she could never be beautiful.

Narrow Head scoops over to the fat chick and takes her home in his fairladyZ (not twin turbo) and is never to be heard of again.
Meanwhile, Setsuna is banging the fucking hot chick to stardom, as well as having a threesome with Tim Tebow.


Did this makes any sense?

[Molitoth]

meanwhile instead of buying high and selling low (see Cassel, Grbac, Bono) we could be buying low and selling high when we draft Geno Smith and Tyler Bray.

[HolyHat]

This year has really exposed the crazies we have as fans...Cousins has 1 good game and all of a sudden he's ****ing Joe Montana. This is becoming pathetic

[TEX]

Originally Posted by @KCsporting

This year has really exposed the crazies we have as fans...Cousins has 1 good game and all of a sudden he's ****ing Joe Montana. This is becoming pathetic

Yep. And they're ALL experts.

[ChiefRocka]

I still cant believe Stanzi didn't play this year