Pagano Tosses Luck under the bus

[oaklandhater]

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Frustrated Pagano tough on Luck after loss

Posted by Zac Jackson on September 22, 2015, 1:21 AM EDT
Chuck Pagano, Andrew Luck
AP
The Colts were a mess from the beginning Monday night and were ultimately doomed by five turnovers — three Andrew Luck interceptions — in a 20-7 loss to the Jets.

After the game, Colts coach Chuck Pagano didn’t try to hide his frustration with his quarterback and his team as a whole.

“He’s got to take care of the football,” Pagano said in his postgame press conference. “It’s not that hard. It’s not trigonometry.”

The simple math says that the Colts have scored three touchdowns and committed eight turnovers through two games, both losses.

“Can’t turn the damn ball over,” Pagano said.

Gregg Doyel of the Indianapolis Star, who was at the game and at the postgame press conference, wrote that Pagano was “throwing Luck under the bus.”

While the Jets clearly frustrated Luck with a variety of blitzes and sometimes just by simply overpowering them in one-on-one battles in the trenches, Pagano hinted that Luck has to overcome his line’s shortcomings.

“[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by milkman

The rules have changed (due in large part to Manning's struggles early in his career) since Manning's early years, so different era.

Luck is the same QB now that he was in 2012.

He, in fact, might be worse.

he has regressed each year

people were pretty ****ing gaga over Matt Stafford after his 5000 yard, 40 TD pass year, too ...

the thing is ... Luck turns the ball over WAY too much. I wish he'd have been drafted into the AFC North or NFC West ...

he lucked into the 1 NFL division that afforded his team success because SOMEONE had to win it and now he has parlayed his big time prospect status into people thinking he's among the top 2 or 3 NFL QB's ... when in fact, he's not. He's top 10-ish. Probably 8-13 (just like his QBR has suggested). That's good. I'd take it as a Chiefs fan...

but he's not Tom Brady. He's not Peyton Manning. He's not Aaron Rodgers.

Dude isn't even Tony Romo.

[Hootie]

and there is NOTHING I see with him that suggests he's going to stop turning the ball over ...

he has that very same Flacco/Stafford/Cutler appeal to him where, when he's on, he looks about as good as any NFL QB can possibly look ...

the problem is ... he's off, a lot ... and every year he inexplicably loses a few games he has no business losing and you're just like ... "uh, wtf?"

His best play is continuously after he puts his team into a massive hole.

I have absolutely no problems with crowning a guy and also giving a guy the benefit of the doubt after a bad game or two ONCE he deserves the crown ... Luck is still a ways away from that.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

And if this turns into a "lynch and Seattle's defense carries Seattle" argument I bow out before it starts ... I'm just done arguing about that. In fact, I'm done either way.

Lynch has a 3.5 YPC avg with no TD's and the Seahawks defense has been awful the first 2 weeks.

They are 0-2. Your statement is obviously wrong.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by milkman

The rules have changed (due in large part to Manning's struggles early in his career) since Manning's early years, so different era.

Luck is the same QB now that he was in 2012.

He, in fact, might be worse.

I've been saying this for two years now.

The only reason most finally choose to see it is due to it costing them games...

[Chiefnj2]

“[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

Some people have interpreted these comments to be directed at the GM and not Luck. Basically saying, for three years the GM has ignored the OL and Luck should be used to playing behind a shit OL the GM has refused to upgrade.

[Titty Meat]

His stats from last year compared to 2012 are much better. He's already accomplished more than Romo.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Mike Riley

His stats from last year compared to 2012 are much better. He's already accomplished more than Romo.

stats don't mean jack shit

some day people will realize that

QBR is the best stat we have to determine quality of QB play. Plain and simple. His QBR has regressed, despite the gaudy stats, each year.

if you watch the games, you can see it ... he does remarkable things ... and follows it up with something remarkably stupid

[Hootie]

Tom, Peyton and Aaron are elite because they do remarkable things while keeping remarkably stupid to an absolute minimum

I can hit an occasional golf shot like Jason Day ... but I'll hit 5 total ****ing ducks in between every pure shot ... that's why I'm a shit golfer

Andrew Luck and Joe Flacco can look like the best ****ing QB in the world ... and then make a total ****ing Mark Sanchez 2-3 times a game

THAT'S why Andrew Luck isn't elite ... and has yet to be elite in his NFL career.

I'm just here to take the crown off a guy who hasn't earned it yet.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

Tom, Peyton and Aaron are elite because they do remarkable things while keeping remarkably stupid to an absolute minimum

I can hit an occasional golf shot like Jason Day ... but I'll hit 5 total ****ing ducks in between every pure shot ... that's why I'm a shit golfer

Andrew Luck and Joe Flacco can look like the best ****ing QB in the world ... and then make a total ****ing Mark Sanchez 2-3 times a game

THAT'S why Andrew Luck isn't elite ... and has yet to be elite in his NFL career.

I'm just here to take the crown off a guy who hasn't earned it yet.

Better playoff record than Manning at this point in his career.

[Hootie]

Originally Posted by Mike Riley

Better playoff record than Manning at this point in his career.

And? Mark Sanchez has plenty of playoff success. What does that mean?

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

“[That has] been the case for three years now, hasn’t it?” Pagano asked. “He should be more than comfortable dealing with it.”

Some people have interpreted these comments to be directed at the GM and not Luck. Basically saying, for three years the GM has ignored the OL and Luck should be used to playing behind a shit OL the GM has refused to upgrade.

Either way, he's right.

They've consistently put a lower tier offensive line in front of their QB's since Manning. I don't know if it's because they don't think that they need to make that investment due to the QB's purported skill set or what have you, but they have only one first round OL pick in the last 15 drafts and five other OL picks in the second or third round over that same time period. That's completely ignoring the position, regardless if a guy works out or not.

[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Lynch has a 3.5 YPC avg with no TD's and the Seahawks defense has been awful the first 2 weeks.

They are 0-2. Your statement is obviously wrong.

LOL Hootie!

[tk13]

Originally Posted by milkman

The rules have changed (due in large part to Manning's struggles early in his career) since Manning's early years, so different era.

Luck is the same QB now that he was in 2012.

He, in fact, might be worse.

The rules have changed, but 90 turnovers in 4 years was still bad, even back then.
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[BigMeatballDave]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

And? Mark Sanchez has plenty of playoff success. What does that mean?

The same as Russel Wilson's success. Defense! HA!

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0

And? Mark Sanchez has plenty of playoff success. What does that mean?

Mark Sanchez, like Wilson, had the number one ranked defense in the league behind him. When that defense fell out of the top 5, so did Sanchez.

You're struggling to understand that any QB playing with a top 2 or 3 defense has much less pressure than someone playing with a less than stellar defense.