Football The NFL is becoming more disturbing than appealing, and TV viewers are tuning out - Page 12

Dayze · 11-02-2016, 02:40 PM

...tell me MOAR

BlackOp · 11-02-2016, 03:09 PM

I just sick of the games getting in the way of my commercials....

DRU · 11-02-2016, 03:35 PM

I used to be addicted to Call of Duty. I played every single day and absolutely loved it. Then I went through a phase where I began to realize I was still playing all the time, but I wasn't enjoying it anymore. I was more annoyed / frustrated the whole the time than I was having fun. Eventually I just didn't turn it on one day, and it hasn't been on again since then. I'm 6 years clean now.

I'm at that stage with football right now, and even the Chiefs. I used to be addicted to football. Die hard Chiefs fan and football fan in general. Glued to my couch every Sunday from noon - midnight. The highs were extremely high and the lows were extremely low.

Over the last 5 years or so, I've found myself becoming more and more annoyed and frustrated while watching than I am enjoying it. I'm still watching, but I'm getting close to just turning it off and never turning it back on again.

Defenders can't play defense anymore. It's just ridiculous watching offenses march up and down the field without any worry of a defender actually trying to keep them from catching the ball. If they do try it's just a flag and a fine, so you can literally see them "letting up" to let the guy catch the ball.

It used to be that a play would happen, you would have a reaction (good or bad) and then you might go, oh, there's a flag.

Now, every single play is "is there a flag? No? Ok now I can react." That alone takes the immediate emotion out of whatever happened.

Even when calls go the Chiefs way I find myself annoyed because it was a ridiculous call on many occasions, and I find myself griping even when we gained a bunch of yards because of it. In the back of my mind I know a similar play is going to go against us, and it's all a matter of timing with such plays that make it a really big deal or not.

Nobody knows what a catch is anymore. "Rules specialists" get it wrong every time they try. Or is it the guys on the field getting it wrong? Nobody knows.

I feel like it's not about the players anymore. It's about rules and refs and how any particular ref/umpire/crew is going to see a subjective thing. A game, heck, a season can come down to things that have nothing to do with the players, and it seems to be happening more and more.

My highs and lows have settled into a "Meh" for pretty much everything. Chiefs have been taking the ball away a lot lately. In the past I'd be screaming and jumping and high fiving and ecstatic any time that would happen. Now I just kinda smile and think, oh, good job. I never jump off the couch anymore, though, for any reason good or bad.

Same when things go against us. I just kinda roll my eyes and think oh well. My emotion is gone because the game I fell in love with is completely different now. It's simply not the same game.

The experience at the stadium is a big part of that, too. I used to think nothing was better on earth than being at Arrowhead with thousands of fans. They've completely destroyed the stadium experience, though, which is why I killed my tickets at a time when we've won, what, 9 home games in a row..?? It's just not worth it anymore even when they're winning.

As others have mentioned, the commercials are just insane, too. For example, "Welcome back from the break. Let's watch this kickoff sail out of the back of the endzone, and now we'll take another commercial break."

Because of that I never watch any games live anymore. I record them so I can fast forward, and that's honestly a part of why I don't watch other games I think. I'm watching the Chiefs game recorded while the other games are on, and I don't care enough about the others to record them and watch later, so my viewership went from noon - midnight to just whenever I want to watch that one game.

So yeah, I'm still watching the Chiefs games, but I don't watch hardly any other games anymore, and I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to just quitting altogether. Same stages that my video game addiction went through. In a way it's kind of sad, like I've lost a long-time friend.

stevieray · 11-02-2016, 04:07 PM

I can't remember how long ago it was..but Jimmy Raye said in 20 years, the NFL would be dead.

I don't watch as much as I nearly did. It's blatantly obvious they favor certain teams. OPI and DPI happen on every play, blatant holding happens every play....Hali used to get held on a consistant basis. It's the fallback to determine games, or take away big plays.

Money , IMO, has corrupted the game.

And it bums me out..I've loved football since I played as a kid.

....with each passing year it just all seems scripted and contrived.

DaNewGuy · 11-02-2016, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

I can't remember how long ago it was..but Jimmy Raye said in 20 years, the NFL would be dead.

I don't watch as much as I nearly did. It's blatantly obvious they favor certain teams. OPI and DPI happen on every play, blatant holding happens every play....Hali used to get held on a consistant basis. It's the fallback to determine games, or take away big plays.

Money , IMO, has corrupted the game.

And it bums me out..I've loved football since I played as a kid.

....with each passing year it just all seems scripted and contrived.

Goodell wants you to use your childlike wonder and believe ! Believe 2 mins, believe believe -DT

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-02-2016, 04:34 PM

Goodell's not the reason for three Prime Time games each week nor the over-exposure on networks like ESPN and Fox Sports 1. Goodell's not the reason for games in London or Mexico or China. Goodell's not responsible for franchises holding municipalities hostage for Billion dollar stadiums.

That's all on the owners.

What Goodell IS responsible for is the hiring, firing, training and teaching of the referees. He's responsible for disciplining players and teams for breaking rules. He's responsible for player safety and for making the game fun.

In those terms, Goodell has failed miserably.

**Buck** · 11-02-2016, 06:24 PM

I bet you if the NFL put all the games on the internet for free with no blackout restrictions, it would triple in popularity.

CBS, FOX, ESPN, and NBC won't have any of that for now, but I'll be interested to see how the NFL goes about integrating more games for free onto the internet when those contracts are up.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-02-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

I bet you if the NFL put all the games on the internet for free with no blackout restrictions, it would triple in popularity.

CBS, FOX, ESPN, and NBC won't have any of that for now, but I'll be interested to see how the NFL goes about integrating more games for free onto the internet when those contracts are up.

FREE?

Free equals zero revenues, which means the salary cap will decrease, players with options in baseball and basketball will turn to other sports and the league will fade away.

**Buck** · 11-02-2016, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

FREE?

Free equals zero revenues, which means the salary cap will decrease, players with options in baseball and basketball will turn to other sports and the league will fade away.

There's no such thing as a free lunch, right?

Ad revenue will still be there, it's not like you can't advertise on the internet.

The more people that you have watch, the more money you make, so opening yourself to a wider audience can only help.

You can watch games for Free on CBS, NBC and FOX already, it's not like it's that earth-shattering, what I'm suggesting.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-02-2016, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Buck

There's no such thing as a free lunch, right?

Ad revenue will still be there, it's not like you can't advertise on the internet.

The more people that you have watch, the more money you make, so opening yourself to a wider audience can only help.

You can watch games for Free on CBS, NBC and FOX already, it's not like it's that earth-shattering, what I'm suggesting.

If you put all of the games on the internet, the NFL isn't getting $1 billion from Direct TV per year, they're not getting $2 billion per year from ABC/Disney for Monday Night Football nor are they getting an additional $500 million for Thursday night football.

It's overexposed as it is and putting games on the internet for free would dilute the product further.

**Buck** · 11-02-2016, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If you put all of the games on the internet, the NFL isn't getting $1 billion from Direct TV per year, they're not getting $2 billion per year from ABC/Disney for Monday Night Football nor are they getting an additional $500 million for Thursday night football.

It's overexposed as it is and putting games on the internet for free would dilute the product further.

The most popular video games in the world are free, and they also make the most money by far.

It's a new world out there. I could be wrong, sure, but in 10 years, Cable could be dead for all we know.

If the NBA beats out the NFL to widespread, free, internet streaming...then RIP NFL being the king.

BlackOp · 11-02-2016, 06:47 PM

Until they make PI calls reviewable ..at least over 20 yards or late in games, then there will always be people skeptical of fixing games. The NFL has never provided a suitable response to why a game-changing "judgement" penalty resulting in 40-50 yards cant be reviewed. Block in the back calls on returns should be reviewable too...

All ****ing penalties are "judgement" calls...

headsnap · 11-02-2016, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

Until they make PI calls reviewable ..at least over 20 yards or late in games, then there will always be people skeptical of fixing games. The NFL has never provided a suitable response to why a game-changing "judgement" penalty resulting in 40-50 yards cant be reviewed. Block in the back calls on returns should be reviewable too...

All ****ing penalties are "judgement" calls...

Though there are many reasons for my now almost non-interest in the NFL, this is #1 for me. Yes, all penalties are judgement calls, and that I am very confident is by design. Flags determine the outcome of the games, and certain calls can be made on virtually any play, holding for example. There is too much (Vegas)$ at stake to leave the outcome of the games to chance or the players hands, best to leave that to the independent contractor referees hands.

The NFL is just the WWE for adults...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-02-2016, 06:56 PM

I will pinpoint the most accurate time of death:

When they fined Harris and he said "**** this shit, maybe I just won't ****ing play anymore".

Yep, that was it.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-02-2016, 06:57 PM

As for Replay, I'm at the point where I believe it should be used for scoring plays only.

Stop the ridiculous overturning of catches.

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11-02-2016, 03:35 PM	#3
DRU To the Game Join Date: Oct 2003 Casino cash: $6793516	I used to be addicted to Call of Duty. I played every single day and absolutely loved it. Then I went through a phase where I began to realize I was still playing all the time, but I wasn't enjoying it anymore. I was more annoyed / frustrated the whole the time than I was having fun. Eventually I just didn't turn it on one day, and it hasn't been on again since then. I'm 6 years clean now. I'm at that stage with football right now, and even the Chiefs. I used to be addicted to football. Die hard Chiefs fan and football fan in general. Glued to my couch every Sunday from noon - midnight. The highs were extremely high and the lows were extremely low. Over the last 5 years or so, I've found myself becoming more and more annoyed and frustrated while watching than I am enjoying it. I'm still watching, but I'm getting close to just turning it off and never turning it back on again. Defenders can't play defense anymore. It's just ridiculous watching offenses march up and down the field without any worry of a defender actually trying to keep them from catching the ball. If they do try it's just a flag and a fine, so you can literally see them "letting up" to let the guy catch the ball. It used to be that a play would happen, you would have a reaction (good or bad) and then you might go, oh, there's a flag. Now, every single play is "is there a flag? No? Ok now I can react." That alone takes the immediate emotion out of whatever happened. Even when calls go the Chiefs way I find myself annoyed because it was a ridiculous call on many occasions, and I find myself griping even when we gained a bunch of yards because of it. In the back of my mind I know a similar play is going to go against us, and it's all a matter of timing with such plays that make it a really big deal or not. Nobody knows what a catch is anymore. "Rules specialists" get it wrong every time they try. Or is it the guys on the field getting it wrong? Nobody knows. I feel like it's not about the players anymore. It's about rules and refs and how any particular ref/umpire/crew is going to see a subjective thing. A game, heck, a season can come down to things that have nothing to do with the players, and it seems to be happening more and more. My highs and lows have settled into a "Meh" for pretty much everything. Chiefs have been taking the ball away a lot lately. In the past I'd be screaming and jumping and high fiving and ecstatic any time that would happen. Now I just kinda smile and think, oh, good job. I never jump off the couch anymore, though, for any reason good or bad. Same when things go against us. I just kinda roll my eyes and think oh well. My emotion is gone because the game I fell in love with is completely different now. It's simply not the same game. The experience at the stadium is a big part of that, too. I used to think nothing was better on earth than being at Arrowhead with thousands of fans. They've completely destroyed the stadium experience, though, which is why I killed my tickets at a time when we've won, what, 9 home games in a row..?? It's just not worth it anymore even when they're winning. As others have mentioned, the commercials are just insane, too. For example, "Welcome back from the break. Let's watch this kickoff sail out of the back of the endzone, and now we'll take another commercial break." Because of that I never watch any games live anymore. I record them so I can fast forward, and that's honestly a part of why I don't watch other games I think. I'm watching the Chiefs game recorded while the other games are on, and I don't care enough about the others to record them and watch later, so my viewership went from noon - midnight to just whenever I want to watch that one game. So yeah, I'm still watching the Chiefs games, but I don't watch hardly any other games anymore, and I feel like I'm getting closer and closer to just quitting altogether. Same stages that my video game addiction went through. In a way it's kind of sad, like I've lost a long-time friend.
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11-02-2016, 04:07 PM	#4
stevieray Most things I worry about… Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Under Pressure Casino cash: $-1114727	I can't remember how long ago it was..but Jimmy Raye said in 20 years, the NFL would be dead. I don't watch as much as I nearly did. It's blatantly obvious they favor certain teams. OPI and DPI happen on every play, blatant holding happens every play....Hali used to get held on a consistant basis. It's the fallback to determine games, or take away big plays. Money , IMO, has corrupted the game. And it bums me out..I've loved football since I played as a kid. ....with each passing year it just all seems scripted and contrived.
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11-02-2016, 04:34 PM	#6
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Goodell's not the reason for three Prime Time games each week nor the over-exposure on networks like ESPN and Fox Sports 1. Goodell's not the reason for games in London or Mexico or China. Goodell's not responsible for franchises holding municipalities hostage for Billion dollar stadiums. That's all on the owners. What Goodell IS responsible for is the hiring, firing, training and teaching of the referees. He's responsible for disciplining players and teams for breaking rules. He's responsible for player safety and for making the game fun. In those terms, Goodell has failed miserably.
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Buck Take a Chill Pill Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: South Carolina Casino cash: $6180295	I bet you if the NFL put all the games on the internet for free with no blackout restrictions, it would triple in popularity. CBS, FOX, ESPN, and NBC won't have any of that for now, but I'll be interested to see how the NFL goes about integrating more games for free onto the internet when those contracts are up.
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11-02-2016, 06:47 PM	#12
BlackOp MVP Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $2785267	Until they make PI calls reviewable ..at least over 20 yards or late in games, then there will always be people skeptical of fixing games. The NFL has never provided a suitable response to why a game-changing "judgement" penalty resulting in 40-50 yards cant be reviewed. Block in the back calls on returns should be reviewable too... All ****ing penalties are "judgement" calls...
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11-02-2016, 06:57 PM	#15
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	As for Replay, I'm at the point where I believe it should be used for scoring plays only. Stop the ridiculous overturning of catches.
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