Chiefs So...um...Mahomes lost us this game - Page 12

DJ's left nut · 10-16-2022, 06:12 PM

Right?

{ducks}

Megatron96 · 10-16-2022, 11:40 PM

Every single year of the Mahomes era the offense has improved over the course of the season. This has translated into an 80% win rate for KC since Mahomes took over. In short, Andy makes the right call around 80% of the time. I think that's pretty good.

The same for the defense. Spags took Breeland and Ward and turned both into competent play-making CBs. I think overall this group of CBs are probably more physically talented than those two guys. he took basically a small core of smart vets and a pile of nobodies and turned them into a SB-winning defense, that started the season dead last, but finished 14th. He also has a ring as a NYG, where he also took one of the worst defenses in the league and two years later made them into a top-5 defense. Spags probably can do it four times in a row.

Mahomes will bounce back. Not worried about Pat at all.

Best22 · 10-17-2022, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by LongSufferingToady

I'm not sure how good the Chiefs are... they barely beat the Raiders the week before, and our loss to Indy really stunk up the joint. The Chiefs are better than most, but NOT the best. And this goes to the poor play calling, running back by committee, and lousy defense against the pass. It's not going to change because this is typical Andy Reid play. It's just a shame Mahomes has to put up with it.

The NFL lacks impressive teams as a whole this year

We’re a top 4 team in October. We can be on top in February

JPH83 · 10-17-2022, 12:26 AM

Pat deserves some of the blame for sure but I just disagree with DJ on the other factors. Our OTs were poor, our WRs weren't getting early separation, and some of the play-calling was suspect. Mahomes is holding this offence together until he can't. Lord knows what he would do to the Bills with Fish and Schwartz and a top 10 WR.

ThyKingdomCome15 · 10-17-2022, 01:45 AM

The offense as a whole will grow in time. We'll be better in the second half of the year. However, when I see Skyy Moore having so few targets I blame Andy for that. It will all come together.

TEX · 10-17-2022, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83

Pat deserves some of the blame for sure but I just disagree with DJ on the other factors. Our OTs were poor, our WRs weren't getting early separation, and some of the play-calling was suspect. Mahomes is holding this offence together until he can't. Lord knows what he would do to the Bills with Fish and Schwartz and a top 10 WR.

We already saw what he would do...

JPH83 · 10-17-2022, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX

We already saw what he would do...

Well quite!

TEX · 10-17-2022, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

This was the 1st game that Mahomes was hamstrung by not having a #1 WR.

Yes. And going up against that type of competition, it will happen again. They need the quick strike capability against such teams and a guy that can get open when things break down.

Best22 · 10-17-2022, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83

Pat deserves some of the blame for sure but I just disagree with DJ on the other factors. Our OTs were poor, our WRs weren't getting early separation, and some of the play-calling was suspect. Mahomes is holding this offence together until he can't. Lord knows what he would do to the Bills with Fish and Schwartz and a top 10 WR.

Yeah I thought he was having a pretty good game until the last interception.

scho63 · 10-17-2022, 04:13 AM

If it wasn't FOR Mahomes, many of the completions, continued drives and first downs wouldn't have occurred as he was under CONSTANT pressure and did pretty well under the circumstances.

Not perfect but pretty well.

scho63 · 10-17-2022, 04:14 AM

Also, we can't always live and die by a last minute comback.

ChiefRocka · 10-17-2022, 04:20 AM

That pass to Skyy was sick tho

Sassy Squatch · 10-17-2022, 04:22 AM

Yeah. Defense put him in position to win the game twice and he totally biffed both times. It's more than a bit concerning going forth. Has no weapon besides Kelce he trusts and the OTs can't be counted on to give him the proper time needed.

JPH83 · 10-17-2022, 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Superturtle

Yeah. Defense put him in position to win the game twice and he totally biffed both times. It's more than a bit concerning going forth. Has no weapon besides Kelce he trusts and the OTs can't be counted on to give him the proper time needed.

My issue has always been with the argument that we need to focus on defence because Mahomes will always drag an average offensive unit over the line. Would I like a killer defence with a DL that abuses the Bills' OL, sure. But the first priority should be using whatever resources we have to give Mahomes time and surround him with talent. If he has both the D just won't matter, and we already know we can get a middling defence with below average talent.

Mahomes will win us games with magic. I just don't want him to have to do it again and again and again.

Steron · 10-17-2022, 04:47 AM

No pass rush. No pass rush. No pass rush. It sure would be nice to be able to send 4 and get pressure.

I told my wife late in the game that I was OK if we lost this game. We played, arguably, the best team in the NFL and went toe to toe with them missing 3 starters on defense. We all knew Williams would get beat like a drum all game. Thing is, would it have been much different with McDuffie playing?

Chris Meck · 10-17-2022, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JPH83

My issue has always been with the argument that we need to focus on defence because Mahomes will always drag an average offensive unit over the line. Would I like a killer defence with a DL that abuses the Bills' OL, sure. But the first priority should be using whatever resources we have to give Mahomes time and surround him with talent. If he has both the D just won't matter, and we already know we can get a middling defence with below average talent.

Mahomes will win us games with magic. I just don't want him to have to do it again and again and again.

That's never been the argument.

The point was to build a more complete team overall. And they've done that, but they are also very young. This team is not yet what they will be late in the season.

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10-16-2022, 11:40 PM	#166
Megatron96 Suupraa Geniuuusss Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: North Phoenix, AZ Casino cash: $-1829600	Every single year of the Mahomes era the offense has improved over the course of the season. This has translated into an 80% win rate for KC since Mahomes took over. In short, Andy makes the right call around 80% of the time. I think that's pretty good. The same for the defense. Spags took Breeland and Ward and turned both into competent play-making CBs. I think overall this group of CBs are probably more physically talented than those two guys. he took basically a small core of smart vets and a pile of nobodies and turned them into a SB-winning defense, that started the season dead last, but finished 14th. He also has a ring as a NYG, where he also took one of the worst defenses in the league and two years later made them into a top-5 defense. Spags probably can do it four times in a row. Mahomes will bounce back. Not worried about Pat at all. __________________ *“Some ideas are so stupid only intellectuals believe them.”*- George Orwell Steven "Spags" Spagnuolo is my Adopt-A-Chief!!!
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10-17-2022, 12:26 AM	#168
JPH83 Veteran Join Date: Feb 2021 Casino cash: $-249600	Pat deserves some of the blame for sure but I just disagree with DJ on the other factors. Our OTs were poor, our WRs weren't getting early separation, and some of the play-calling was suspect. Mahomes is holding this offence together until he can't. Lord knows what he would do to the Bills with Fish and Schwartz and a top 10 WR.
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10-17-2022, 01:45 AM	#169
ThyKingdomCome15 MVP Join Date: Jun 2019 Casino cash: $-569600	The offense as a whole will grow in time. We'll be better in the second half of the year. However, when I see Skyy Moore having so few targets I blame Andy for that. It will all come together.
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10-17-2022, 04:13 AM	#174
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-810000	If it wasn't FOR Mahomes, many of the completions, continued drives and first downs wouldn't have occurred as he was under CONSTANT pressure and did pretty well under the circumstances. Not perfect but pretty well. __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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10-17-2022, 04:14 AM	#175
scho63 Politically Incorrect Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Scottsdale, AZ Casino cash: $-810000	Also, we can't always live and die by a last minute comback. __________________ *"The only difference between sex for free and sex for money is that sex for free costs you a WHOLE LOT more!"* ~Redd Foxx~ ~~2018 2019 2020 20212022 2023~~ 2024 Adopt a Chief - Clark Hunt and Brett Veach "The men who drafted Patrick Mahomes"
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10-17-2022, 04:20 AM	#176
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Sassy Squatch The man you could post like. Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1320345	Yeah. Defense put him in position to win the game twice and he totally biffed both times. It's more than a bit concerning going forth. Has no weapon besides Kelce he trusts and the OTs can't be counted on to give him the proper time needed.
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10-17-2022, 04:47 AM	#179
Steron Texting Ms. Dobbs Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Virginia Casino cash: $9408246	No pass rush. No pass rush. No pass rush. It sure would be nice to be able to send 4 and get pressure. I told my wife late in the game that I was OK if we lost this game. We played, arguably, the best team in the NFL and went toe to toe with them missing 3 starters on defense. We all knew Williams would get beat like a drum all game. Thing is, would it have been much different with McDuffie playing?
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