Caleb Williams is destined to be a massive bust

[Why Not?]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Jalen Hurts is in year 4 and they're openly talking about working him into more of a leadership role. Some guys have it. And some guys are incredibly talented but will never get the best out of the players around them. See Kyler Murray. Some guys cry into their mother's bosom and sulk and watch Friends reruns.

Boy there's just something about those Gooner Sooner QB's isn't there??

Indeed!

[Buehler445]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Jalen Hurts is in year 4 and they're openly talking about working him into more of a leadership role. Some guys have it. And some guys are incredibly talented but will never get the best out of the players around them. See Kyler Murray. Some guys cry into their mother's bosom and sulk and watch Friends reruns.

Boy there's just something about those Gooner Sooner QB's isn't there??

To be fair to Hurts.

****ing Sirianni is asstarded. FFS he hired a thrice failed ex-Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag to be his DC last year. Dude is reeling and throwing Hurts under the bus.

Hurts isn't Mahomes, but don't lump the guy in with weeping vaginas like Kyler and Caleb.

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Buehler445

To be fair to Hurts.

****ing Sirianni is asstarded. FFS he hired a thrice failed ex-Brother****ing Cheatriot ****bag to be his DC last year. Dude is reeling and throwing Hurts under the bus.

Hurts isn't Mahomes, but don't lump the guy in with weeping vaginas like Kyler and Caleb.

Oh yeah, he's not a weepy pussy or anything but there's something true to his lack of outward leadership. He just doesn't have that part in him. The rest of his game is admirable

And all is fair in love and slandering oklahoma

[Chieftain]

Cam did not have a long career by any means. He was washed by age 30. And he was not a diva. Weird sense of fashion but not a diva.
Red flags are: painting your nails, crying to your momma, asking for ownership of the team who is about to draft you, refusing medical exams at the combine...

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

Cam did not have a long career by any means. He was washed by age 30. And he was not a diva. Weird sense of fashion but not a diva.
Red flags are: painting your nails, crying to your momma, asking for ownership of the team who is about to draft you, refusing medical exams at the combine...

You’re remembering what you want to remember. Take a look here. This is from his official draft profile courtesy of NFL.com:

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/cam-ne...b-2c25062be531

He's competitive and vocal on the field, but has had several off-the-field issues and his character is in question.

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Numerous off the field issues worth investigating

Here is an article also highlighting his off-the-field issues:

"Cam Newton's character has been repeatedly called into question. We have accusations of him and his father shopping him around to the school with the fattest wallet. We have accusations of academic fraud, grand theft, obstruction of justice and destruction of someone else's laptop.”

"That's a whole lot of red flags…”

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Cam Newton started his collegiate career at the University of Florida, playing two seasons there (2007 - 2008). However, he chose to transfer from Florida following an arrest after he bought a stolen computer in November 2008. The charges were later dropped in December 2009.

Per FoxSports.com, Newton also breached the school's honor code by putting his name on another peer's work and turning it in as his own

On top of that, Newton did have a long and successful career. He was washed by his 30th birthday, but he still scored 250 TDs before then, in just eight NFL seasons. This ****er averaged 30+ TDs for nearly a decade, won an MVP and was the engine that drove a shitty franchise to a Super Bowl.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chieftain

Cam did not have a long career by any means. He was washed by age 30. And he was not a diva. Weird sense of fashion but not a diva.
Red flags are: painting your nails, crying to your momma, asking for ownership of the team who is about to draft you, refusing medical exams at the combine...

I haven't kept up with this thread, so it's probably been discussed, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill with these medical exams.

Standard practices change. It used to be that if you were healthy you did the damn combine drills. It's now quite common to see prospects be selective about the drills they run when at the combine. I'm sure people wrinkled their faces funny about the first guy to turn down combine drills, and now it's a complete nothingburger. Caleb isn't against getting medically examined. He's just against getting medically examined by teams who aren't going to draft him. It's a waste of his time. Just as several QBs said, "Why am I doing these drills for scouts from other teams who won't draft me when I'm going to workout privately for a bunch of these teams anyway?"

If you want to question the other stuff, knock yourself out. I don't really have an opinion on it other than the weird crying thing he did. And I could have sworn the ownership stake thing was something he didn't actually ask for and was fake news.

I just think some people are REEEEALLY overthinking this one. That's okay. People in draft media once tried to argue the Colts should go RGIII over Luck, too. It's the modern era of NFL football and there sits the ideal modern era NFL QB prospect. You think he's arrogant and won't take well to the pressure of the league? I don't know what he's like as a person or how coachable he is, but given what just about everybody has seen on tape, he's going to have to have some serious personality concerns that come up in your interview and evaluation that go beyond painting his nails.

[Chieftain]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I haven't kept up with this thread, so it's probably been discussed, but I think you're making a mountain out of a molehill with these medical exams.

Standard practices change. It used to be that if you were healthy you did the damn combine drills. It's now quite common to see prospects be selective about the drills they run when at the combine. I'm sure people wrinkled their faces funny about the first guy to turn down combine drills, and now it's a complete nothingburger. Caleb isn't against getting medically examined. He's just against getting medically examined by teams who aren't going to draft him. It's a waste of his time. Just as several QBs said, "Why am I doing these drills for scouts from other teams who won't draft me when I'm going to workout privately for a bunch of these teams anyway?"

If you want to question the other stuff, knock yourself out. I don't really have an opinion on it other than the weird crying thing he did. And I could have sworn the ownership stake thing was something he didn't actually ask for and was fake news.

I just think some people are REEEEALLY overthinking this one. That's okay. People in draft media once tried to argue the Colts should go RGIII over Luck, too. It's the modern era of NFL football and there sits the ideal modern era NFL QB prospect. You think he's arrogant and won't take well to the pressure of the league? I don't know what he's like as a person or how coachable he is, but given what just about everybody has seen on tape, he's going to have to have some serious personality concerns that come up in your interview and evaluation that go beyond painting his nails.

It's the first time in combine history where a prospect refuses medical exams by team doctors. Never happened in 42 years.
The ownership stakes claim came directly either from him or his father. But it was never refuted by Caleb. Which obviously means it's true.

I am not denying his talents. But what good is talent when your head is all screwed up and you feel entitled despite having proven nothing in the NFL?
I say **** talent and choose character first and foremost, especially at the QB position where you need a leader of men and exemplary teammate.

I read an article somewhere where this guy averaged a fumble a game in his college career. He had something like 33 fumbles accumulated.
So again, we aren't talking about some flawless prospect here and when combined with his questionable character, you have to think twice before making that move.

Here is the article verifying what I said -> 33 Fumbles
https://sports.yahoo.com/perry-pats-...005243154.html

[Perineum Ripper]

All you guys worrying about painted nails would blow your brains out if you knew how many guys in JSOC paint their toenails

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by Perineum Ripper

All you guys worrying about painted nails would blow your brains out if you knew how many guys in JSOC paint their toenails

Any bleached o-rings you knew of?

[Perineum Ripper]

Originally Posted by Pablo

Any bleached o-rings you knew of?

Sometimes, you just need to bleach it out and start fresh. Kind of like white sheets, some stains you just want to forget

[Pablo]

Caleb could be a world class huddler like Case Keenum and I just haven't seen the clips yet.

[RealSNR]

Man, I just don't know about this Patrick Mahomes guy. Look at the company he keeps. Brother is an annoying high schooler who loves dancing on the internet, girlfriend seems to rub people the wrong way at games, and his dad has a history with drunk driving. Mom is nuts, too.

He makes some incredible plays on the field for sure, but I just don't know if that's enough for me to risk the pick. I think you gotta roll with Deshaun Watson. Almost no red flags personality wise, and looks to be the perfect leader who is beloved by teammates. There's a zero percent chance that guy will end up being a creepy ass pervert who sexually harasses dozens of women into doing butt stuff at massage therapy!

[Pablo]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Man, I just don't know about this Patrick Mahomes guy. Look at the company he keeps. Brother is an annoying high schooler who loves dancing on the internet, girlfriend seems to rub people the wrong way at games, and his dad has a history with drunk driving. Mom is nuts, too.

He makes some incredible plays on the field for sure, but I just don't know if that's enough for me to risk the pick. I think you gotta roll with Deshaun Watson. Almost no red flags personality wise, and looks to be the perfect leader who is beloved by teammates. There's a zero percent chance that guy will end up being a creepy ass pervert who sexually harasses dozens of women into doing butt stuff at massage therapy!

This is the future I envision for Caleb, only it's dudes.

[Chiefshrink]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

Man, I just don't know about this Patrick Mahomes guy. Look at the company he keeps. Brother is an annoying high schooler who loves dancing on the internet, girlfriend seems to rub people the wrong way at games, and his dad has a history with drunk driving. Mom is nuts, too.

He makes some incredible plays on the field for sure, but I just don't know if that's enough for me to risk the pick. I think you gotta roll with Deshaun Watson. Almost no red flags personality wise, and looks to be the perfect leader who is beloved by teammates. There's a zero percent chance that guy will end up being a creepy ass pervert who sexually harasses dozens of women into doing butt stuff at massage therapy!

Poor analogy.

You listed all the things 'around' Pat not what he actually did himself pre-draft. We are talking about what Caleb did and does right now my friend 'pre-draft'.

You can swing for the fence and take Caleb or you can swing for the fence by not taking him. I get your point about peer and public pressure and assurance of keeping a career in the NFL by taking Caleb even if he busts BUT character IS EVERYTHING(emotional and mental maturity or lack thereof). I would be 'that guy' that "smells a rat repeat of Cam" but without the stats and SB appearance that will BUST in my eyes. You would make the "safe play". So be it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

Poor analogy.

You listed all the things 'around' Pat not what he actually did himself pre-draft. We are talking about what Caleb did and does right now my friend 'pre-draft'.

You can swing for the fence and take Caleb or you can swing for the fence by not taking him. I get your point about peer and public pressure and assurance of keeping a career in the NFL by taking Caleb even if he busts BUT character IS EVERYTHING(emotional and mental maturity or lack thereof). I would be 'that guy' that "smells a rat repeat of Cam" but without the stats and SB appearance that will BUST in my eyes. You would make the "safe play". So be it.

If the Bears draft the next Cam Newton in Williams, they'll get an MVP player who takes them to the Super Bowl. Yes, you take that.

This is the franchise that has never seen one of its QBs throw for 4000 yards. Now is not the time overthink this. They did that shit once before and it got them Mitch Trubisky.

There sits Aaron Rodgers. But sure, you go ahead and take Alex Smith.