vrabel a chief

[oldandslow]

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[doomy3]

Originally Posted by DaWolf

It's really funny, I think that Herm actually Hermified a lot of the fans, and we've come to the conclusion that if a guy is over 30, he's worthless.

I found this comment in the Vrabel thread on Pats Planet to be striking in the difference of mentality between the fan bases right now:

Yep, it is kind of funny. Most of the time, people just scream for something new on here, doesn't matter if it's right or not. Vermiel did it more this way, bringing in football players like Priest, Green, etc, and the screams were for youth. Youth is great if they can actually play. But a low round pick for a guy who can make a difference for a couple years and be a mentor could be worth that pick for sure.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Like OTW said - anything we traded to get a 34 year old declining vet is too much. Maybe Vrabel's play this year will make Pioli look like an actual genious (cps).

Conditional 7th round picks are made for shit like this. I mean, sure, we might miss out on Mike Merritt or Jeremy Parquet or Kevin Sampson or Montique Sharpe or Willie Pile or Maurice Rodriguez or Shaunard Harts or Desmond Kitchings or Eric King or Ernest Blackwell or Nathan Parks, guys who form the foundation of a franchise.

[big nasty kcnut]

It's not bad. We do need leadership.
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[Christofire]

(must ... not ... pour ... gas ... on ... the ... fire ...

Oh, what the hell.)

Somewhere, Gunther Cunningham is smiling to himself. "See, I TOLD them you needed veteran leadership to have a strong D."

[Ultra Peanut]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder

[soundmind]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Depends on what we traded.

"Undisclosed draft pick" per ESPN.

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Patriots fan here, just thought I'd stop by and give my 2 cents on Vrabel.

First off, he's one of my favorite Pats. He was a key defender on all 3 of the SB runs, and he's a high-intelligence, high-work ethic guy. He struggled a lot last year, but his shoulder was injured pretty much all season. FWIW, I don't think that Pioli would trade for him without knowing that it was going to heal fine. Assuming that, I don't think he'll come back at his 2007 level (12.5 sacks, 77 tackles, mostly in the first 2/3rds of the season), but you should expect closer to 2007 than 2008.

A lot of us had projected that Tedy Bruschi would be gone, and Vrabel would move inside to take his place. Vrabel has played quite a bit of ILB in the past (in 2005, when Bruschi had his stroke before the season, Vrabel moved inside for pretty much the whole year). I wouldn't assume that he was signed to be an OLB in a 3-4, because he's definitely a hybrid and can play either way. He's also by all accounts a leader in the locker room. I've been following the Chiefs a bit since Pioli left, and I do want him to succeed in KC (just not at the Pats' expense ;P). Anyways, depending on what you guys actually gave up, I think that it could be a good move. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder, or maybe part of a larger trade with some swaps in draft position.

I'm not psyched with the move as a Pats fan in of itself. I like Vrabel, and think that he could continue to contribute for us. I'm encouraged, though, in that I think that it's either setting up a big move or it means that our young guys are progressing well.

Thanks for the feedback

[DaWolf]

Originally Posted by BradyFTW!

Patriots fan here, just thought I'd stop by and give my 2 cents on Vrabel.

First off, he's one of my favorite Pats. He was a key defender on all 3 of the SB runs, and he's a high-intelligence, high-work ethic guy. He struggled a lot last year, but his shoulder was injured pretty much all season. FWIW, I don't think that Pioli would trade for him without knowing that it was going to heal fine. Assuming that, I don't think he'll come back at his 2007 level (12.5 sacks, 77 tackles, mostly in the first 2/3rds of the season), but you should expect closer to 2007 than 2008.

A lot of us had projected that Tedy Bruschi would be gone, and Vrabel would move inside to take his place. Vrabel has played quite a bit of ILB in the past (in 2005, when Bruschi had his stroke before the season, Vrabel moved inside for pretty much the whole year). I wouldn't assume that he was signed to be an OLB in a 3-4, because he's definitely a hybrid and can play either way. He's also by all accounts a leader in the locker room. I've been following the Chiefs a bit since Pioli left, and I do want him to succeed in KC (just not at the Pats' expense ;P). Anyways, depending on what you guys actually gave up, I think that it could be a good move. If I had to guess, I'd say that it was either a 3rd/4th rounder, or maybe part of a larger trade with some swaps in draft position.

I'm not psyched with the move as a Pats fan in of itself. I like Vrabel, and think that he could continue to contribute for us. I'm encouraged, though, in that I think that it's either setting up a big move or it means that our young guys are progressing well.

Thanks for the feedback, I'll admit I have no idea what his trade value is, but it may wind up being one of those conditional deals where if he plays certain snaps or whatnot, it will rise to a certain level. Interested in seeing how this shakes down. And I think this is just the first of many moves we're going to start seeing in the next few days...

[doomy3]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

WTF?

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Hootie

THE DRAFTURBATORS!!!

IF HE AIN'T 25, HE AIN'T WORTH IT!

You guys are seriously uninformed.

You need veterans like Vrabel and Gonzalez and Waters etc... to be a good football team.

I'd have no problem had they signed him as a FA.

Trading a draft pick, ANY draft pick for him is foolish.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Ultra Peanut

[doomy3]

This place is really going to go nuts when we trade for Cassel.

[kcfanXIII]

if we traded a 6th, where will we find our qb?

[Sully]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Believing in the system is exactly the problem.

Systems don't win games. Players do.

In the grand scheme, this is right. But not entirely. Otherwise, you actually would still see teams running the single-wing (or the pistol...uggghhh).

You hire coaches based on whether they win. They win based on a system they are comfortable coaching, or at the very least, comfortable backing. Otherwise, you'd see tons of coaches overhauling their entire playcalling every year. But we know what each coach is going to do. Martz is going to throw every down. Coughlin is going to run Marty's offense. Parcells would run a 3-4. Schwarts doesn't blitz ever, Johnson does nothing but blitz. Those are coach-specific traits. They do what they do, and find the players to fit what they want. Tomlin stayed with the old D in Pittsburgh, but that was a team coming off the Super Bowl. This is a team coming off a 2-win season.

Switching to the 3-4 may completely waste the Dorsey pick. That sucks...I love the guy.
However, I'm (as a complete armchair GM) in no way ready to say this team should be built around him. The rest of the guys? I don't give a damn if they are part of the team in 3 years.


BTW...

This is not an argument for or against the Vrabel move. Just for the switch to 3-4 now.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Conditional 7th round picks are made for shit like this. I mean, sure, we might miss out on Mike Merritt or Jeremy Parquet or Kevin Sampson or Montique Sharpe or Willie Pile or Maurice Rodriguez or Shaunard Harts or Desmond Kitchings or Eric King or Ernest Blackwell or Nathan Parks, guys who form the foundation of a franchise.

True.

Just a way of not competing with other teams when a player is cut. I'd rather give an 8th, though.