Chiefs Get of Mark Castle's back! - Page 13

**pr_capone** · 11-10-2009, 01:08 AM

First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right.

Here are the numbers. And before I get started... **** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us.

This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season.

Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers.

Completions
Cassel - 286
Ryan - 312
Flacco - 366
Brady - 373
McNabb - 285
Rivers - 277

Attempts
Cassel - 514
Ryan - 514
Flacco - 564
Brady - 601
McNabb - 493
Rivers - 460

Completion Percentage
Cassel - 55.6
Ryan - 60.9
Flacco - 64.9
Brady - 62.1
McNabb - 57.8
Rivers - 60.2

Yards
Cassel - 2871
Ryan - 3568
Flacco - 4088
Brady - 3764
McNabb - 3233
Rivers - 3152

TDs
Cassel - 23
Ryan - 26
Flacco - 24
Brady - 23
McNabb - 25
Rivers - 21

INTs
Cassel - 11
Ryan - 20
Flacco - 14
Brady - 14
McNabb - 12
Rivers - 15

Sacks
Cassel - 62
Ryan - 24
Flacco - 32
Brady - 31
McNabb - 39
Rivers - 22

What I get out of the stats.

While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this ****tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark.

People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed.

Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble.

I don't know what more you want from the guy.

It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL.

Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively.

Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release.

Its not his fault his receivers can't get open.

Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays.

I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection.

I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about.

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RustShack · 11-10-2009, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

No no no don't you know it doesn't count because they were 22 and Cassel is 27????
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Ideally you want your franchise QB to be young and groom him at a young age.. but Cassel isn't just going to skip that phase because hes 27. Some players are late bloomers, that doesn't mean they can't be anything special. Maybe hes just our answer at QB for five-ten years instead of ten-fifteen, oh well.

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

So, uh, when should we expect Cassel to "get through his phase"?

With this shit team how much better do you expect him to get? Name me any qb ever who got a whole lot done with such a bad team and please don't be stupid and try to say John Elway.

I think you guys are in some kind of denial how bad this team is. Its like, if you put it on all on the qb it gives you some hope.

The Chiefs are an awful football team. And if Pioli doesn't get them to .500 by the end of 2010 its on him.
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Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Because you're the dumbass acting like the best QBs in the game couldn't win games behind the Chiefs' o-line. I'm a Cassel supporter, and even I think that's horribly off.

Sure they can win games. About 5. Because football isn't a one man sport.
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chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Sure they can win games. About 5. Because football isn't a one man sport.
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Seriously. Stop.

**DeezNutz** · 11-10-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

With this shit team how much better do you expect him to get? Name me any qb ever who got a whole lot done with such a bad team and please don't be stupid and try to say John Elway.

I think you guys are in some kind of denial how bad this team is. Its like, if you put it on all on the qb it gives you some hope.

The Chiefs are an awful football team. And if Pioli doesn't get them to .500 by the end of 2010 its on him.
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The 80s-early 90s Broncos were largely comprised of horse shit teams, but that's beside the point.

It's the ultimate team sport, and Cassel plays the key position. He must be a prime mover, not just another part.

What do I expect? A hell of a lot more than what he's shown, which has been limited at best.

And this team will not be .500 by the end of next season, so I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. But, incidentally, who is responsible for the construction of the current roster?

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Seriously. Stop.

You seriously have no idea how bad your football team is. They are like an expansion team. And you expect a qb to single handidly make them, what, 8-8??
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

No no no don't you know it doesn't count because they were 22 and Cassel is 27????
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I ask again; what was the Casshole sales-pitch against drafting a rookie?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

You seriously have no idea how bad your football team is. They are like an expansion team. And you expect a qb to single handidly make them, what, 8-8??
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You're preaching to the choir. Few people have complained about the supporting cast and the shitty situation Cassel has had to deal with than I have.

But in Tom Brady, you're talking about a quarterback who takes 20-30 sacks less behind the same exact o-line as Cassel, AND was a pro bowl, Super Bowl QB throwing to receivers like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell. You're talking about a QB like Big Ben, who takes the biggest beating of any QB in the league and has thrived despite an o-line that gives up 45+ sacks. And you're talking about Peyton Manning, the best QB in the game who runs his own offense and gets rid of the ball and recognizes blitzes better than any QB in the game. You say they could only win 5 games all season. All three of those QBs would have easily beat Oakland, Washington, Dallas, and Jacksonville with our supporting cast.

I like Cassel and am willing to wait. But when you undermine the credibility of three QBs that are hands down the best in the game, you're going 100 steps too far.

Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz

The 80s-early 90s Broncos were largely comprised of horse shit teams, but that's beside the point.

It's the ultimate team sport, and Cassel plays the key position. He must be a prime mover, not just another part.

What do I expect? A hell of a lot more than what he's shown, which has been limited at best.

And this team will not be .500 by the end of next season, so I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment. But, incidentally, who is responsible for the construction of the current roster?

Let me guess, since you expected a Super Bowl this year I suppose you think its 100 percent Pioli. Yeah, it was Pioli who made all those draft picks the last 10 years. No, I'm not thrilled with his not addressing the offense more. But you have to give the GM at least a couple of years for Petes sake. But did you take in what I said, if they aren't .500 by the end of next season then its fair to get all over the guy.
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Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Raised On Riots

I ask again; what was the Casshole sales-pitch against drafting a rookie?

I don't know, I wasn't part of that. I was going solely from what I saw last year and what I've seen this year the rare occassions his dumbass coach let him air it out.
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Pioli Zombie · 11-10-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You're preaching to the choir. Few people have complained about the supporting cast and the shitty situation Cassel has had to deal with than I have.

But in Tom Brady, you're talking about a quarterback who takes 20-30 sacks less behind the same exact o-line as Cassel, AND was a pro bowl, Super Bowl QB throwing to receivers like Jabar Gaffney and Reche Caldwell. You're talking about a QB like Big Ben, who takes the biggest beating of any QB in the league and has thrived despite an o-line that gives up 45+ sacks. And you're talking about Peyton Manning, the best QB in the game who runs his own offense and gets rid of the ball and recognizes blitzes better than any QB in the game. You say they could only win 5 games all season. All three of those QBs would have easily beat Oakland, Washington, Dallas, and Jacksonville with our supporting cast.

I like Cassel and am willing to wait. But when you undermine the credibility of three QBs that are hands down the best in the game, you're going 100 steps too far.

Fine. Its all Cassels fault for not being Peyton Manning. If he was Peyton Manning, which he should be for making all that money, the Chiefs would be a playoff team. Its all Matt Cassels fault. There. I'm an idiot Chiefs fan now.
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Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-10-2009, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Let me guess, since you expected a Super Bowl this year I suppose you think its 100 percent Pioli. Yeah, it was Pioli who made all those draft picks the last 10 years. No, I'm not thrilled with his not addressing the offense more. But you have to give the GM at least a couple of years for Petes sake. But did you take in what I said, if they aren't .500 by the end of next season then its fair to get all over the guy.
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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

I don't know, I wasn't part of that. I was going solely from what I saw last year and what I've seen this year the rare occassions his dumbass coach let him air it out.
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Good lord man, really? This is what you throw back to this board as answers?

chiefzilla1501 · 11-10-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Fine. Its all Cassels fault for not being Peyton Manning. If he was Peyton Manning, which he should be for making all that money, the Chiefs would be a playoff team. Its all Matt Cassels fault. There. I'm an idiot Chiefs fan now.
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Christ, you're the dumbass that keeps saying Peyton Manning couldn't win more than 5 games with the Chiefs. Stop skirting around your idiotic Chiefs comment.

**DeezNutz** · 11-10-2009, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Let me guess, since you expected a Super Bowl this year I suppose you think its 100 percent Pioli.

As much as you're on this board, I'm not sure how you're still making these types of statements.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 11-11-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pioli Zombie

Fine. Its all Cassels fault for not being Peyton Manning. If he was Peyton Manning, which he should be for making all that money, the Chiefs would be a playoff team. Its all Matt Cassels fault. There. I'm an idiot Chiefs fan now.
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Feel free to hang out exclusively with your ultra-evolved, highly football-intelligent Patriot fans.

11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
pr_capone THREEPEAT!!! Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NWMO Casino cash: $9948214	Get of Mark Castle's back! First and foremost... I am no Cassel apologist but I am tired of reading posts just bashing Matt left and right. Here are the numbers. And before I get started... ** all this "garbage time" bullshit. EVERY QB in the league has garbage time stats so let's not get too wrapped up in that. It's not like teams have replaced all their starters with 2nd and 3rd stringers at the end of games on us. This is a statistical comparison of current QB's 2nd season as full time starters. Cassel, Ryan, & Flacco's stats are projected numbers of 16 games played in a season. Pay special attention to the TD, INT, and Sack numbers. Completions Cassel - 286 Ryan - 312 Flacco - 366 Brady - 373 McNabb - 285 Rivers - 277 Attempts Cassel - 514 Ryan - 514 Flacco - 564 Brady - 601 McNabb - 493 Rivers - 460 Completion Percentage Cassel - 55.6 Ryan - 60.9 Flacco - 64.9 Brady - 62.1 McNabb - 57.8 Rivers - 60.2 Yards Cassel - 2871 Ryan - 3568 Flacco - 4088 Brady - 3764 McNabb - 3233 Rivers - 3152 TDs Cassel - 23 Ryan - 26 Flacco - 24 Brady - 23 McNabb - 25 Rivers - 21 INTs Cassel - 11 Ryan - 20 Flacco - 14 Brady - 14 McNabb - 12 Rivers - 15 Sacks Cassel - 62 Ryan - 24 Flacco - 32 Brady - 31 McNabb - 39 Rivers - 22 What I get out of the stats. While Cassel could certainly stand to improve his completion percentage and total yardage, he is doing a damn fine job of producing in this **tarded offense. His completion and total yardage stats have been killed due to the fact that the man has zero time to set up and find an open receiver as shown by the sack numbers. I would love to know the number of times each QB was hurried and forced to run but if the sack numbers are any indication, Cassel would nearly double the amount of any of the QB's listed in this comparison. His mobility has likely saved him from another dozen or so sacks at the halfway mark. People dog Cassel for being unable to throw the deep ball. Hopefully that argument was squelched a bit after the long pass to Chambers today whom he hit in stride for a TD. It is amazing what a competent QB can do when he has a bit of time and a receiver with reliable hands & a touch of speed. Lastly, and probably of most importance for a team like the Chiefs who are in transition on both sides of the ball, Cassel takes care of the damn ball while still throwing TD's. Cassel is on pace to throw fewer interceptions than any of the QB's listed in the comparison despite his o-line's inability to keep him on his feet. In fact, he has thrown interceptions in only 2 of his 7 games played so far this season. Oh yeah... and though he has been sacked more than any of the QB's listed he has yet to lose a fumble. I don't know what more you want from the guy. It's not his fault 3/5 of his offensive line would not start on ANY other team in the NFL. Its not his fault that his coach is calling a limp dick game offensively. Its not his fault that his featured RB averaged a whopping 2.7 yards per carry with 0 TDs prior to his suspension and release. Its not his fault his receivers can't get open. Its not his fault he is having to pick himself up off the ground on half the passing plays. I'm not claiming that this guy will be the next Manning, Brees, or Brady. I'm saying this guy COULD be a solid QB for seasons to come if he only had some protection. I like to bitch about the team as much as the next feller but let's bitch about the players that deserved to be bitched about. [/rant]
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