Chiefs MELLINGER: Should The Chiefs Move On From Smith? - Page 13

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2017, 12:35 PM

Yep, another Alex Smith thread - but a solid and fair read from Sam Mellinger.

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The only way forward is through brutal honesty and realistic self-evaluation. No sport moves as quickly, or with such little empathy, as the NFL.

Only fools assume what happened in the past will continue to happen in the future, unless that assumption is “the Patriots will win every year from now until armageddon because Bill Belichick is an alien.”

And so it is that this particular group of Chiefs players and executives attempt to solve a puzzle that no group of Chiefs players and executives has solved since 1970, which is so long ago CBS erased the tape to save money:

Get to the Super Bowl.

And it’s hard to believe that will happen without addressing the quarterback situation.

This is not a call for the Chiefs to walk away from Alex Smith, even though this is the first offseason since his arrival in which they could do it without a fatal salary cap hit. This is a call for them to look, to try, to make sure they don’t have access to a better option — whether that’s Tony Romo in a trade, Deshaun Watson in the draft (which would almost certainly require a trade up), or anything else.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt...#storylink=cpy

kccrow · 01-17-2017, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Please stop replying to the troll?

**** the troll. Don't give any ****s. Feed him until he busts open at the seams.

RobBlake · 01-17-2017, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I don't think I agree, but you have to isolate variables to be sure.

I still think Reid is among the best coaches in the NFL when taken on balance. He has some warts, but he has enough strengths to more than outweigh them.

That said, give him his young QB and a shot at development. If Reid's the problem, isolate Reid, confirm it and move along. If Smith's the problem, you can't know until you see Reid working with a new guy.

The best way to ensure you never dig out of a whole is to change too many variables and start chasing outcomes. I think you're wrong but I'm willing to consider the possibility that you're right. The only way to do so is to test Reid independently of Smith.

This was Smith's year, IMO. He had the weapons and he had the talent on the line. He was given the pieces to succeed and he failed. He's the easiest variable to change with the shortest shelf life. Change it, move along to the next possibility.

Get Reid a new QB, coach him up and see what we have. If it's more of the same, time to reconsider.

Smith gets one more season. BUT KC HAS to draft a young gun that will challenge him, and if the window opens.. canunseat him. KC's offseason has to be A+. The Oline has to be more consistent. Need to draft a great RB, another TE *I think KC can be what NE tried to do with Gronk and Hernandez honestly*.

**New World Order** · 01-17-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Not to forget if Kelce catches that 40 yard pass we likely get a TD and Reid doesn't shit the bed with his late game antics.

Not with our awful red zone offense.

26th in the league.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Troll or not, there are some folks who are too ensconced in their opinions to be worth too much dialogue.

Tiger's one of them. He's not changing his mind so why bother? I don't think he's trolling, I think he's simply that certain of his belief (and a bit of an insane fanboi).

Regardless of the why, there's still not a great deal of need for prolonged debate. Speak your piece, give him the floor for a bit and move along.

This man I respect.

Those of you who don't like that I disagree with you and are unable to realize I offer a facts-based alternative perspective to your whiny teenage girl rhetoric, I feel sorry for you.

Chiefspants · 01-17-2017, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

No with our awful red zone offense.

26th in the league.

Woulda been a sick interception in the endzone, I'm sure.

KCUnited · 01-17-2017, 05:28 PM

At 58, which isn't ancient by any means, but factor in the possibility of one last contract with one last shot at the big game, how open is Reid to develop a young QB? I know it's not necessarily his call, but hopefully we're not looking at another QB retread with another sunsetting coach.

kccrow · 01-17-2017, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

This man I respect.

Those of you who don't like that I disagree with you and are unable to realize I offer a facts-based alternative perspective to your whiny teenage girl rhetoric, I feel sorry for you.

We're still waiting for the facts little boy.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2017, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Troll or not, there are some folks who are too ensconced in their opinions to be worth too much dialogue.

Tiger's one of them. He's not changing his mind so why bother? I don't think he's trolling, I think he's simply that certain of his belief (and a bit of an insane fanboi).

Regardless of the why, there's still not a great deal of need for prolonged debate. Speak your piece, give him the floor for a bit and move along.

He singlehandedly destroys any thread he chooses to post in, and apparently has carte blanche from the mods - otherwise he'd be gone just like Clay and every other troll/mult on the board. Hypocrites.

Since the mods refuse to take out the trash, the only way to resolve the issue is if people would just quit replying to his nonsense. Then maybe - just maybe we could actually have some discussion around here.

**Perineum Ripper** · 01-17-2017, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The Alex Smith Deep Ball Myth:

Spoiler!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-17-2017, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

**** the troll. Don't give any ****s. Feed him until he busts open at the seams.

Then you're just as guilty as he is for destroying this board.

RobBlake · 01-17-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

He singlehandedly destroys any thread he chooses to post in, and apparently has carte blanche from the mods - otherwise he'd be gone just like Clay and every other troll/mult on the board. Hypocrites.

Since the mods refuse to take out the trash, the only way to resolve the issue is if people would just quit replying to his nonsense. Then maybe - just maybe we could actually have some discussion around here.

Just because he has a dissenting opinon of Alex is all trash, doesn't mean he is clay bad. Clay is an irrational, sometimes humorous, poster.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

**** the troll. Don't give any ****s. Feed him until he busts open at the seams.

Over the last 25 months, when have I ever shown any sign of giving up on my beliefs? My biggest accomplishment may have been driving Clay to insanity countering his stupidity with facts that he was unable to contain himself from making psychopath level comments which led to his banning.

Come at me all you want but my track record speaks for itself, I'm right far more times than I'm wrong

DJ's left nut · 01-17-2017, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RobBlake

Smith gets one more season. BUT KC HAS to draft a young gun that will challenge him, and if the window opens.. canunseat him. KC's offseason has to be A+. The Oline has to be more consistent. Need to draft a great RB, another TE *I think KC can be what NE tried to do with Gronk and Hernandez honestly*.

May I ask why?

2015 was the true 'shit or get off the pot' season with Alex for me. I said to start the year that he needed to establish that he could be the starting QB for a winning team. Good news - he actually shit. He proved he can be the QB for a consistent winner.

Then the team took note of some obvious roster holes, dealt with them and got him a better supporting cast. It was time for him to prove that he could take the next step forward.

Instead he spent most of the season sputtering. He didn't take a step forward. I'll listen to arguments that he didn't regress (I disagree, but there are arguments to be made), but he definitely didn't improve.

He's not going to know the offense any better. He's not going to get more physically capable. The absolute BEST you'll see from Alex Smith is what you got from him this season and frankly I saw plenty of signs to suggest that you won't get that.

I just don't feel like we can count on that being good enough. For me, I'd just run Foles out there and see if we can learn something new because there's nothing else to find out about Alex Smith unless it's bad news.

Fish · 01-17-2017, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

He ranked 11th in QBR
Spotrac says his cap hit was 13th highest. http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/quarterback/
Team wins ranked 3rd overall out of 32 with the highest graded strength of victory amongst all playoff teams.

Use some common sense you idiot.

When calling others idiot, it might be best to get your facts straight.

Also...

Smith was 16th in QBR.
Smith was 17th in TDs.
Smith was 22nd in Yards.
Smith was 16th in Yds/A.
Smith was 22nd in Yds/Game.

TigeRRUppeRRcut · 01-17-2017, 05:33 PM

OTW wants to ***** in his rocking chair but the truth of the matter is I've stayed on topic and provide facts to the discussion. You just can't handle the truth.

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KCUnited Cheat Death Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Land of Drincoln Casino cash: $1888244	At 58, which isn't ancient by any means, but factor in the possibility of one last contract with one last shot at the big game, how open is Reid to develop a young QB? I know it's not necessarily his call, but hopefully we're not looking at another QB retread with another sunsetting coach.
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01-17-2017, 05:33 PM	#195
TigeRRUppeRRcut Banned Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: 19th Hole Casino cash: $10004725	OTW wants to ***** in his rocking chair but the truth of the matter is I've stayed on topic and provide facts to the discussion. You just can't handle the truth.
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