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Old 01-28-2024, 08:32 PM  
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Old 02-07-2024, 10:28 AM   #1981
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And how did the zone run game of the Miami Dolphins - which is the exact same system - do against the Chiefs?

Other than some yardage Mostert picked up in the Germany matchup at the end of each halves, the Chiefs' defense controlled the Dolphins run game.

People just aren't talking about this enough. The Chiefs have played this system, with more dangerous/big-play WR talent, and handled it just fine.
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I think the Chiefs have also had a pretty good warm up to the 49ers playing the Dolphins twice this season.

Both teams are very similar. Loaded with weapons, great running game with a very similar scheme, and limited game managers at QB.

Meanwhile, the 49ers have played nobody like the Chiefs.
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Old 02-07-2024, 10:31 AM   #1982
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I ate a little crow in the Bieniemy thread - I think the team missed what he brings. Not necessarily from a tactical perspective, but as a taskmaster and attention to detail guy.

I think Nagy (and yes, Andy) can get a little up their own asses at times in the technical side of plays. I think they 'nerd out' for lack of a better term and get far more focused on the drawing/scheming of plays than they do hammering the discipline in executing them.

Why wouldn't they? They're football geeks - it's exactly what I'd do if I had their kind of ability to do what they do. I'd get lost in the minutiae.

I think EB is a nice balance in that he's going to be in their ear. "okay, cute ring-round-the-rosey fellas - now how 'bout you execute a simple ****ing down block this time!"

I'd welcome him back.
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Old 02-07-2024, 10:34 AM   #1983
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I ate a little crow in the Bieniemy thread - I think the team missed what he brings. Not necessarily from a tactical perspective, but as a taskmaster and attention to detail guy.

I think Nagy (and yes, Andy) can get a little up their own asses at times in the technical side of plays. I think they 'nerd out' for lack of a better term and get far more focused on the drawing/scheming of plays than they do hammering the discipline in executing them.

Why wouldn't they? They're football geeks - it's exactly what I'd do if I had their kind of ability to do what they do. I'd get lost in the minutiae.

I think EB is a nice balance in that he's going to be in their ear. "okay, cute ring-round-the-rosey fellas - now how 'bout you execute a simple ****ing down block this time!"

I'd welcome him back.
What do you bring him back as though? Nagy back to QBs? Do you just offer the RB coach to EB?

I’m fine with him coming back but I’m not sure if he would take less than OC.
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Move Pinkston to WR coach and EB back to RB coach with Assistant HC title?

Edit: forgot Toub already has that title
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Ha, I think you posted that while I was typing my reply out. I missed it.

I think we recognize that HERE. I was meaning more the national analysts aren't looking at that.

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I watched the Lions game again and it was crazy what Wilks was doing. I thought Mecca was just talking out of his ass but he was right about Wilks. The Lions ran 12 personnel with 2 TE's and Wilks just has their base out there with a corner going against the TE. No wonder they get destroyed.

Andy is gonna come out in 12-13 personnel and just destroy these guys. I think this will look a bit like the Bills game for awhile but in the end it won't be as close.
Yeah, Wilks is not really a guy I have a lot of belief in. Maybe it's seeing him up close and personal as the Missouri DC, but he just doesn't impress me much.

And the work the 49ers have done this year doesn't change that.

If the 49ers sit in base against 12 and 13 sets and try to zone up against KC, it's going to end very poorly for them. But I expect they will do that until its just too late (and they don't have the personnel to man up and handle Kelce and Rice).
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Ha, I think you posted that while I was typing my reply out. I missed it.

I think we recognize that HERE. I was meaning more the national analysts aren't looking at that.



Yeah, Wilks is not really a guy I have a lot of belief in. Maybe it's seeing him up close and personal as the Missouri DC, but he just doesn't impress me much.

And the work the 49ers have done this year doesn't change that.

If the 49ers sit in base against 12 and 13 sets and try to zone up against KC, it's going to end very poorly for them. But I expect they will do that until its just too late (and they don't have the personnel to man up and handle Kelce and Rice).
I knew what you meant buddy, just giving you shit! lol
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What do you bring him back as though? Nagy back to QBs? Do you just offer the RB coach to EB?

I’m fine with him coming back but I’m not sure if he would take less than OC.
You could just give him the OC job again.
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What do you bring him back as though? Nagy back to QBs? Do you just offer the RB coach to EB?

I’m fine with him coming back but I’m not sure if he would take less than OC.
Therein the question lies.

I don't have an answer. I mean I don't think Nagy did anything this season to establish himself as bulletproof in the role. But I also don't think he did anything 'fireable'.

Moreover, I don't know that titles really matter on Andy's staff that much. He's calling plays (I don't really care what he says) and the rest of them work collaboratively.

It's a question of pure pride - Nagy and EBs. Will either guy be wiling to take on a subordinate role knowing full well that they're probably going to be co-equals in practice, if not in name? That's awfully hard to say.

I still think that when it comes to assistant coaches, money talks. These guys aren't independently wealthy. If EB can get $200K more/yr by being a RBs coach here vs. being an OC somewhere else (NFL or college) - I think he'll take the money and swallow the pride. It's a lot of dough for these guys.

It's why I don't usually understand the "he shouldn't take that job, it's a career killer" talk. If I'm an OC making $800K/season on the high end and someone offers me a job making $5 million/yr on a 5 year guaranteed deal - i'm taking it.

Dead end job or not, I'm $20 million richer for going to Carolina and getting my teeth kicked in. I'm truly set for life.

Or I can spin the wheel and end up like Kellen Moore. He went from big shit coaching prospect to bouncing around 3 different teams in 3 years over the course of a single season.

Don't miss your window. If you can get the bag - even as a coach - go get it.
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Bieniemy is probably gonna have to be a positional coach again. He doesn't exactly have leverage.

IIRC only the Raiders had interest in Bieniemy as OC but that went never materialized.
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What do you bring him back as though? Nagy back to QBs? Do you just offer the RB coach to EB?

I’m fine with him coming back but I’m not sure if he would take less than OC.
He could come back in the same type of role that Childress filled once upon a s time. Offensive consultant/special assistant to the head coach.
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He could come back in the same type of role that Childress filled once upon a s time. Offensive consultant/special assistant to the head coach.
I like it.

And the good news for EB, perhaps a carrot for him, is that the offense lagged a bit this year. And I think Veach fully intends to invest heavily in the offense this draft.

If EB comes back and the defense recovers nicely, that's a really good little selling point on his (likely quixotic) quest to become a HC someday.
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