Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs - Page 14

Oz_Chief · 01-07-2007, 10:59 PM

...but Solari stays.

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16406684.htm

By Adam Teicher

McClatchy Newspapers

(MCT)

KANSAS CITY, Mo. - One day after a pathetic performance bounced his team from the playoffs, Herm Edwards promised offensive changes for the Chiefs in 2007.

Edwards said he couldn't be specific about many of the changes because they are still to be decided. But he indicated they would probably include a different scheme_and maybe a new starting quarterback.

They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use.

Edwards also said defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and the rest of his assistant coaches would be welcome to return next season.

Edwards has contemplated changes through the course of a bumpy offensive season. Saturday's 23-8 loss to the Colts in a first-round playoff game in Indianapolis helped drive home the point.

The Chiefs had 126 yards and failed to get a first down until their eighth possession.

"We didn't handle their speed real well," Edwards said.

"We have to take a hard look at ourselves. You have to be realistic and ask yourself if we're really capable of (successfully running their current system). I want to make sure of one thing: Whatever type of system we run, young players have to be able to play. They can't wait a year or two to get on the field. I don't want to be in a situation where young guys who have some talent can't play because the system is too complex.

"There are some things we do very well. There are things we can do even better. That's what I'm talking about here: How do we do these things better? It's not a laundry list of things. These are just things that allow us to get the football to the right players."

Edwards said the Chiefs would keep their power running game centered on Larry Johnson and a play-action passing game. But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities.

Those changes would be aimed toward making things easier for younger players. Edwards wouldn't identify those players he would like to play more next season, but he may have been talking about rookie wide receivers Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon and perhaps even rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle.

"I just know it has to be player-friendly," Edwards said. "It has to be something that young players at all positions can play. I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now.

Edwards wouldn't address the issue of whether Trent Green would return as the starting quarterback. Green's play dropped off significantly this season after he missed eight games because of a concussion.

"That's not even something we're discussing right now," Edwards said. "There are a whole lot of other things we have to do as far as the program before we start worrying about player situations. That's second on the agenda."

But his refusal to back Green, who will turn 37 next summer, speaks loudly. The conservative Edwards believes in ball control above all. Green committed three turnovers in the final regular-season game against Jacksonville and three more in the loss to the Colts.

He had no such hesitation about supporting Solari, a career offensive-line coach until promoted to coordinator by Edwards this season.

"I told Mike today that he did a good job for his first year," Edwards said. "That's a tough seat he's sitting in. A lot of the things that happened to us - losing some players, losing the quarterback_affected him. He had never called an offensive play. That's hard. He will be so much better next year. It won't even be close.

"Mike's the guy. He's going to be a heck of an offensive coordinator. Next year will be a lot different for him. I was so much better my second year as a head coach. He'll gain more confidence. He knows me better now. Mike had to learn the passing game. You don't learn that in a year unless you're a coordinator. He was an offensive-line coach. That's something he had to go through."

Edwards also said he was pleased with how he and Cunningham worked together.

"We think a whole lot alike as far as the things we want to get done," he said. "I know people think he's blitz-crazy, but he's really not. He's got to do what the players allow him to do."

**Easy 6** · 01-08-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

You're a Long Tabber or a Ranger, right? I'm 82nd. There are people on here with 50,000 posts who are basically PC nerds that guard this place like it was mama's purse. I come here to talk football a few times a year. I appreciate what you and all others who want to talk football have to say.

A Soldier knows that a turd of an operation plan is rarely rescued by heroic fighting alone.

I was Air-Assault for 1 year at Ft.Campbell HOOOAAAHHH!!!

The other 3 years i was at Ft.Wainwright as a Combat Eng. operating a SEE-Tractor. Hella cold, atleast in winter, summers were fantastic.

No Ranger, no Airborne.

But in line with your thinking, i have certainly witnessed turd plans attempt to be carried out by highly capable soldiers that just didnt work because the "plan" SUCKED to begin with.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free

I was Air-Assault for 1 year at Ft.Campbell HOOOAAAHHH!!!

The other 3 years i was at Ft.Wainwright as a Combat Eng. operating a SEE-Tractor. Hella cold, atleast in winter, summers were fantastic.

No Ranger, no Airborne.

But in line with your thinking, i have certainly witnessed turd plans attempt to be carried out by highly capable soldiers that just didnt work because the "plan" SUCKED to begin with.

That was my point. Thanks!
Air Assault!
(3rd BCT Rakkasans 1997-1999)

**Easy 6** · 01-08-2007, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

PC Nerd.

Johnny, you should rise above the "pie" taunts & tell me just what in the world it all means. I'm here all night.

Yet i have just gotten a subtle clue that my request was bad, so proceed cautiously...

**Easy 6** · 01-08-2007, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

That was my point. Thanks!
Air Assault!
(3rd BCT Rakkasans 1997-1999)

I had some straight up bro's in the Rakkasans, still in touch with 1, names Bill Coughlin, he got messed up pretty bad when he stood underneath a tank turret on a winch as repairs were made, winch failed & he took the brunt on a K-potted head, it saved his ability to walk.

But he lost a FULL 4 inches of height over it.

Coach · 01-08-2007, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

In this case, you DO change the offense and keep the offensive coordinator.

Why?

Because Mike Solari was never allowed to call HIS offense. This was HERM'S offense all along.

Exactly what I'm trying to explain. The system is not to complicated... everyone in the starting lineup knows the system.

Norv Turner turned around the 49ers using the same freaking system. If it's not to complicated for them, why would is it our team? Is our team stupid? It's an excuse.

Scapegoating at it's finest. Hello HERM!! I KNOW the system works... there is about 4 years of evidence. Losing Will Roaf is NOT an excuse... we didn't get beat by Dwight Freeney... we just sucked.

And this team isn't built for the style of offense that HERM wants to run. This team is built for quick passes/screens/etc.

Here's a question for anybody. If we are going to change schemes, why would we not change offensive coordinators? The only reason Solari was promoted in the first place was because he knew the old system. Now, if we change schemes, which would be Herm's new scheme, none of the coaches on the staff will be familiar with it - and Solari will be a "rookie" with it all over again.

S**t, if you want to change up the offense do it the right way.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scott free

I had some straight up bro's in the Rakkasans, still in touch with 1, names Bill Coughlin, he got messed up pretty bad when he stood underneath a tank turret on a winch as repairs were made, winch failed & he took the brunt on a K-potted head, it saved his ability to walk.

But he lost a FULL 4 inches of height over it.

Ouch. Poor trooper. I've been ABN/AASLT most of my career. I don't like tanks. They're dangerous!

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by FringeNC

If that were the case, I'm not sure Carl would have had Gretz take Herm's side and throw the players under the bus. The Gretz article suggests to me that Herm is in complete control, and that there is going to be a purge of anyone supportive of the old guard.

This should not be confused with me taking Herm's side, but:

If they love Dick Vermeil so much that they'll mail it in the playoffs like they obviously did on Saturday, they DESERVE to be purged.

htismaqe · 01-08-2007, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Damn I didn't even recognize that.

Saunders always used shifting and motion and try to trick the D.

Alright Herm and Solari need to be....well I can't really say it in public.

I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...

BIG_DADDY · 01-08-2007, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...

Yea it sisn't work for us at all the last few years.

Hammock Parties · 01-08-2007, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...

Er...that's a little weird.

|Zach| · 01-08-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by KCJohnny

I come here and get vagina laced into a few times a year.

Interesting.

NewChief · 01-08-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe

I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...

Was he talking about against zone defenses? My understanding (albeit limited and this may be well known) is that much of the motion and shifting is used to reveal the man-to-man coverage and expose good matchups for the QB prior to the snap. Against a team like Indy, who stay in zone and never play man, it's useless and a waste. Not sure I'd say it's a waste against other teams.

FringeNC · 01-08-2007, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

This should not be confused with me taking Herm's side, but:

If they love Dick Vermeil so much that they'll mail it in the playoffs like they obviously did on Saturday, they DESERVE to be purged.

Who mailed it in? Gretz CLAIMED they did, but Gretz's claims and the reality of a situation rarely overlap.

The information ministry has determined it's better to throw the players under the bus than the coaches.

KCJohnny · 01-08-2007, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I heard Lenny Dawson say on 810 this mornign that all that motion and shifting was wasted energy...

It is if you do all that just to go run, run, pass punt.

ROYC75 · 01-09-2007, 08:29 AM

So much for the " I'm not no dummy, if it's not broke, why fix it " ? Why would I ? They have been doing alot of good things the past severa years here !l
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OK, Herm changed the way you call your playbook to fit the declining talent he had left on offense. He had to after the injury to Trent and the loss of Roaf and other injuries to the OL.

Will he draft back to fix that ? No, he will change the scheme, the style of play and make the players learn something different, something easier to learn for the young kids to pick up.

Don't expect too much in 2007 folks, the offense must learn a new scheme.

IMHO, with Herms and Solari's background, here comes the WC offense back to KC......

01-07-2007, 10:59 PM
Oz_Chief Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Casino cash: $-2004899	Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs ...but Solari stays. http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercu...s/16406684.htm By Adam Teicher McClatchy Newspapers (MCT) KANSAS CITY, Mo. - One day after a pathetic performance bounced his team from the playoffs, Herm Edwards promised offensive changes for the Chiefs in 2007. Edwards said he couldn't be specific about many of the changes because they are still to be decided. But he indicated they would probably include a different scheme_and maybe a new starting quarterback. They won't include a new coordinator. Edwards said Mike Solari would continue in that job no matter what type of offense the Chiefs use. Edwards also said defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham and the rest of his assistant coaches would be welcome to return next season. Edwards has contemplated changes through the course of a bumpy offensive season. Saturday's 23-8 loss to the Colts in a first-round playoff game in Indianapolis helped drive home the point. The Chiefs had 126 yards and failed to get a first down until their eighth possession. "We didn't handle their speed real well," Edwards said. "We have to take a hard look at ourselves. You have to be realistic and ask yourself if we're really capable of (successfully running their current system). I want to make sure of one thing: Whatever type of system we run, young players have to be able to play. They can't wait a year or two to get on the field. I don't want to be in a situation where young guys who have some talent can't play because the system is too complex. "There are some things we do very well. There are things we can do even better. That's what I'm talking about here: How do we do these things better? It's not a laundry list of things. These are just things that allow us to get the football to the right players." Edwards said the Chiefs would keep their power running game centered on Larry Johnson and a play-action passing game. But they will simplify by cutting back on the number of plays and their complexities. Those changes would be aimed toward making things easier for younger players. Edwards wouldn't identify those players he would like to play more next season, but he may have been talking about rookie wide receivers Jeff Webb and Chris Hannon and perhaps even rookie quarterback Brodie Croyle. "I just know it has to be player-friendly," Edwards said. "It has to be something that young players at all positions can play. I want to give the quarterback even more ability to change some things at the line of scrimmage. I want him to have the ability to get to anything we have right now. Edwards wouldn't address the issue of whether Trent Green would return as the starting quarterback. Green's play dropped off significantly this season after he missed eight games because of a concussion. "That's not even something we're discussing right now," Edwards said. "There are a whole lot of other things we have to do as far as the program before we start worrying about player situations. That's second on the agenda." But his refusal to back Green, who will turn 37 next summer, speaks loudly. The conservative Edwards believes in ball control above all. Green committed three turnovers in the final regular-season game against Jacksonville and three more in the loss to the Colts. He had no such hesitation about supporting Solari, a career offensive-line coach until promoted to coordinator by Edwards this season. "I told Mike today that he did a good job for his first year," Edwards said. "That's a tough seat he's sitting in. A lot of the things that happened to us - losing some players, losing the quarterback_affected him. He had never called an offensive play. That's hard. He will be so much better next year. It won't even be close. "Mike's the guy. He's going to be a heck of an offensive coordinator. Next year will be a lot different for him. I was so much better my second year as a head coach. He'll gain more confidence. He knows me better now. Mike had to learn the passing game. You don't learn that in a year unless you're a coordinator. He was an offensive-line coach. That's something he had to go through." Edwards also said he was pleased with how he and Cunningham worked together. "We think a whole lot alike as far as the things we want to get done," he said. "I know people think he's blitz-crazy, but he's really not. He's got to do what the players allow him to do."
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ROYC75 Time For Your Wake Up Call !!! Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Barn Yard Casino cash: $2327400	Edwards promises offensive changes for Chiefs So much for the " I'm not no dummy, if it's not broke, why fix it " ? Why would I ? They have been doing alot of good things the past severa years here !l ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ OK, Herm changed the way you call your playbook to fit the declining talent he had left on offense. He had to after the injury to Trent and the loss of Roaf and other injuries to the OL. Will he draft back to fix that ? No, he will change the scheme, the style of play and make the players learn something different, something easier to learn for the young kids to pick up. Don't expect too much in 2007 folks, the offense must learn a new scheme. IMHO, with Herms and Solari's background, here comes the WC offense back to KC...... __________________ Our society is run by insane people for insane objectives. I think we're being run by maniacs for maniacal ends and I think I'm liable to be put away as insane for expressing that. That's what's insane about it. John Lennon
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