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Old 08-11-2008, 08:00 PM  
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Should the Chiefs have drafted Aaron Rodgers over Derrick Johnson?
Would we have been in a better position now???

Rodgers would have gotten to learn from Trent Green a few years....

Hmmmm....thoughts to ponder.



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Old 09-08-2009, 11:37 AM   #196
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what was the pack's record the year before he started? what was their record last year? hell if you listen to OTWP the QB should RAISE the play of the players around him so why did the record go backwards? and, again thanks otwp, isnt the QB solely responsible for wins and losses?
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:03 PM   #197
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The 14 teams that passed on him, even though he was supposedly thought of as a Top 5 pick?
The big criticism was that he couldn't fight off blocks.

I think DJ has just fallen into the category of great talent who doesn't have the "want it". When coaches have to move you to MIKE in order to get you to keep your head in the game, you know you've got an issue with the guy. If someone does not want to put in the time or effort to be into every play, despite the talent, he becomes a liability. Either the light needs to go on for DJ, or he's just another one of those guys who made his money and who can fade into the background.

The reason the Ravens have had such a great defense while we've had such crap ones is because they draft guys with that intense persona and desire to be the best. We have drafted guys who supposedly have potential but who don't have that desire. In other words, in this decade we have drafted a bunch of soft players on D...
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after all the yapping DJ is still going to be in the nfl for 8 years starting for 5 or 6 of them. Not a bad career.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:30 PM   #199
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The big criticism was that he couldn't fight off blocks.

I think DJ has just fallen into the category of great talent who doesn't have the "want it". When coaches have to move you to MIKE in order to get you to keep your head in the game, you know you've got an issue with the guy. If someone does not want to put in the time or effort to be into every play, despite the talent, he becomes a liability. Either the light needs to go on for DJ, or he's just another one of those guys who made his money and who can fade into the background.

The reason the Ravens have had such a great defense while we've had such crap ones is because they draft guys with that intense persona and desire to be the best. We have drafted guys who supposedly have potential but who don't have that desire. In other words, in this decade we have drafted a bunch of soft players on D...
He has also been on some shitty teams with shitty coaching schemes. His equivilent was Derrick Brooks, Brooks had Booger, Sapp, hardy nickerson, good secondary, and kiffen on that team oh what could have been
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:34 PM   #200
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Elway-type talent can.

Could Aaron's talent overcome an atrocious offensive line and the worst coaching KC has ever had?

Aaron stepped onto a team that was coming off a 13-3 season that had a pretty good O-Line and excellent receivers. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking he would have done that well here.
He went into a great situation. No question.

But when you can fill the most important position on the field with a high-caliber young player, you have to do it.

Rarely will it be an ideal situation. The best QBs generally go to the shittiest teams or organizations more generally, yet some of these players still succeed.
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Elway-type talent can.

Could Aaron's talent overcome an atrocious offensive line and the worst coaching KC has ever had?
Hell no, Marty shottenheimer pretty much proved that bad coaching can destroy young quarterbacks about as fast as you can draft them.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:37 PM   #202
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Hell no, Marty shottenheimer pretty much proved that bad coaching can destroy young quarterbacks about as fast as you can draft them.


DeBerg? Montana? Kreig? Bono? Grbac? Gannon?

Whom did he destroy?

Bernie? Rivers? Brees?

Or applause at the draft sarcasm...

Or Chiefs inept sarcasm...
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Hell no, Marty shottenheimer pretty much proved that bad coaching can destroy young quarterbacks about as fast as you can draft them.
You could of stopped right there, enough was said...
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The big criticism was that he couldn't fight off blocks.

I think DJ has just fallen into the category of great talent who doesn't have the "want it". When coaches have to move you to MIKE in order to get you to keep your head in the game, you know you've got an issue with the guy. If someone does not want to put in the time or effort to be into every play, despite the talent, he becomes a liability. Either the light needs to go on for DJ, or he's just another one of those guys who made his money and who can fade into the background.

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Great post. Sums up my thoughts on him exactly.

All this talk about how Derrick needs better players or a better team aruond him is absolute bullsnot. A great player on defense can easily stand out. Look at Nnamdi in Oakland. Surrounded by the worst damn talent in the whole league but everyone knows he's the best corner in the NFL. Jared Allen had no problem leading the league in sacks on basically the same defense that set a record for sack ineptness a year later.

Anyone who thinks that Johnson needs better players around him to TRULY showcase his talent don't know WTF they are talking about. Either Derrick can focus and play at a high level or he can't. Thus far he's shown the latter.
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I agree that Rodgers would have had a more difficult time succeeding in KC than he has in GB.

I agree that DJ has not lived up to his potential.

The conclusion I draw from these two statements is that KC has not been a good place for a rookie to come in and develop. If they do develop, it is despite the organization, not because of it. And that is why we are in year 3 of a rebuild that looks about 1/2 done. It is just complete organizational failure.

Hopefully Pioli and Haley begin to turn this around. It is going to take some time.
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Old 09-08-2009, 12:50 PM   #206
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The big criticism was that he couldn't fight off blocks.

I think DJ has just fallen into the category of great talent who doesn't have the "want it". When coaches have to move you to MIKE in order to get you to keep your head in the game, you know you've got an issue with the guy. If someone does not want to put in the time or effort to be into every play, despite the talent, he becomes a liability. Either the light needs to go on for DJ, or he's just another one of those guys who made his money and who can fade into the background.

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The big question is if Rodgers had the same coaching as DJ would he be a productive NFL QB or a bust?

Under Pioli I believe we will see draft picks with size, speed, strength and desire. Based on the final roster and depth chart it seems he has little patience for players that lack desire. If Pioli and Haley cannot bring out DJ's potential then I can't imagine anyone can. I predict by game 4 DJ is back on top the depth chart.
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Bump..

Should the Chiefs have drafted Brett Favre over Harvey Williams in 1991?
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:25 PM   #208
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I agree that Rodgers would have had a more difficult time succeeding in KC than he has in GB.

I agree that DJ has not lived up to his potential.

The conclusion I draw from these two statements is that KC has not been a good place for a rookie to come in and develop. If they do develop, it is despite the organization, not because of it. And that is why we are in year 3 of a rebuild that looks about 1/2 done. It is just complete organizational failure.

Hopefully Pioli and Haley begin to turn this around. It is going to take some time.
you always take a franchise QB.... especially over a non pass rushing linebacker
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