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**BossChief** · 12-07-2011, 11:54 PM

I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable.

His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones.

For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience.

This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on.

All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL.

I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)?

I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out.

Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?

suds79 · 12-08-2011, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

Imo we need a offensive minded HC that wouldn't mind Crennel staying with the defense or promoting Crennel and hiring the best OC we can find.

Does not the simplest solution not seem to be just letting Todd Haley be the HC & OC? Or at least the HC & playcaller for Sundays.

memyselfI · 12-08-2011, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Does not the simplest solution not seem to be just letting Todd Haley be the HC & OC? Or at least the HC & playcaller for Sundays.

Because he's such a brilliant successful offensive mind?

memyselfI · 12-08-2011, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by SensibleChiefsfan

It will not be a mistake when Pioli fires Haley. Not because he isn't a good coach. Because he is a petulant child who is a control freak.

This. Which will ultimately prevent him from ever becoming a successful good coach.

suds79 · 12-08-2011, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by memyselfI

Because he's such a brilliant successful offensive mind?

Because yes he is a good coach. Offense is is specialty.

He seemingly can't get along with other OCs probably because he wants to call plays and mettle. So let him take full responsibility. If he fails, he's got no one else to blame.

Unless you voted fire him, I don't see any other way about it.

Brock · 12-08-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Because yes he is a good coach. Offense is is specialty.

Sounds like a big time fail, then.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 02:25 PM

Let's say you were Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli, and you're ready to move on from Matt Cassel.

Would you really trust a guy like Todd Haley with a rookie quarterback's development?

No ****ing way.

ChiefsCountry · 12-08-2011, 02:28 PM

After seeing who voted in the poll to fire Haley, its pretty clear he should stay.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

After seeing who voted in the poll to fire Haley, its pretty clear he should stay.

Amen

suds79 · 12-08-2011, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Sounds like a big time fail, then.

Really? What coach could scheme around the talent that is left on O with all the injuries they've had?

Possibly the best RB in football and the guy the offense is centered around? Gone.

Good, young TE who makes for nice short throws over the middle for our noodle armed, inaccurate QB? Gone.

That same noodle armed, inaccurate QB gets injured leading to an even worse QB up next.

What were you expecting?

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 02:35 PM

I ask all the people that want haley gone.DO you all think Raheem Morris should be fired? cause haley is out coaching him this year.

suds79 · 12-08-2011, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

I ask all the people that want haley gone.DO you all think Raheem Morris should be fired? cause haley is out coaching him this year.

I think it's also fair to ask...

Do you prefer Josh McDaniels or Romeo Crennel as the HC?

Because that's what we'd get. To even mention a Jeff Fisher or (insert any big name) is laughable. Scott would never do it.

If that leads someone to say "Well then Scott is the problem."... Exactly.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan

I ask all the people that want haley gone.DO you all think Raheem Morris should be fired? cause haley is out coaching him this year.

Raheem Morris isn't a ****ing nutcase.

Hammock Parties · 12-08-2011, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Do you prefer Josh McDaniels or Romeo Crennel as the HC?

Those guys are not going to be coaching the Chiefs next year.

Brock · 12-08-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by suds79

Really? What coach could scheme around the talent that is left on O with all the injuries they've had?

Possibly the best RB in football and the guy the offense is centered around? Gone.

Good, young TE who makes for nice short throws over the middle for our noodle armed, inaccurate QB? Gone.

That same noodle armed, inaccurate QB gets injured leading to an even worse QB up next.

What were you expecting?

Not the worst offense in franchise history. Chan Gailey did more with the same or less.

ShowtimeSBMVP · 12-08-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega

Raheem Morris isn't a ****ing nutcase.

He has done everything haley has.Haley has fed up the OC and morris has fired the same amount of DC.

View Poll Results: Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley?
yes, it would be a mistake. Haley deserves a shot with a healthy squad he built.	142	61.21%
No. Ive seen enough. Next, please.	79	34.05%
Im not voting in any of these things till I see what GAZ thinks.	11	4.74%
Voters: 232. You may not vote on this poll

12-07-2011, 11:54 PM
BossChief SuperBowl or bust Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: BF Iowa Casino cash: $-1625912	Would it be a mistake to fire Todd Haley? I started the year in full support of Haley. This team was developing into one of the better teams in football and were young across the board...despite being handcuffed to Matt Cassel. The growth in almost all of our young talent was apparent and easily recognizable. His fiery attitude is infectious and the team plays with that emotion and passion. Haleys motivational skills are up there with about anyones. For that, I was willing to overlook his mismanagement of situational football and a few other deficiencies that come with a first time coach and assumed that he would improve in those areas, with experience. This is one hell of a hard season to judge because of the lack of an offseason. I am willing to give him a partial pass on the early part of the schedule because I still believe it was the right plan if we are looking at the long term big picture. It just sucks that we coincidentally ran into the injury bug at crucial positions early on. All that said, his offense is embarrassing to watch while Romeos defense is seemingly entering GOD mode without, arguably, its best player. Everyone on earth (sans Haley, seemingly) can see that Palko has no place in the NFL and Haley is seemingly OK with betting half the year on him. I dont understand what Haley sees from a quarterback that has the weakest arm Ive ever seen in the NFL. I still think that Haley deserves a shot at it with a real quarterback. This team is giving good effort and I think most agree it would be a contender with a real quarterback. Who could have this team in position to contend with these quarterbacks (Im not even gonna touch the Stanzi situation)? I guess the way we deal with the remaining 4 games plays a lot into this, but at this point I think it would be a mistake to fire Haley either during or after this year, but I can see why someone would disagree with that opinion and thats why I want to see how a poll on this topic shakes out. Do YOU think it would be a mistake to fire Todd Haley and replace him prior to next year?
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12-08-2011, 02:25 PM	#201
Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $950478	Let's say you were Clark Hunt and Scott Pioli, and you're ready to move on from Matt Cassel. Would you really trust a guy like Todd Haley with a rookie quarterback's development? No ****ing way. __________________ Chiefs game films
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12-08-2011, 02:28 PM	#202
ChiefsCountry The Insider Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Lake of the Ozarks Casino cash: $-1441248	After seeing who voted in the poll to fire Haley, its pretty clear he should stay.
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12-08-2011, 02:35 PM	#205
ShowtimeSBMVP Chiefs Join Date: Feb 2009 Casino cash: $1276009	I ask all the people that want haley gone.DO you all think Raheem Morris should be fired? cause haley is out coaching him this year.
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