Royals Bye bye Gordon - Page 14

teedubya · 11-06-2015, 12:25 PM

Gordon's strong work ethic has a huge influence on the team... That would suck to have that leave... #DoubleEdgeSword

Bootlegged · 11-06-2015, 12:55 PM

LF - Parra
CF - Cain
RF - Starling or FA + Dyson/Orlando

Pitt Gorilla · 11-06-2015, 02:03 PM

I'd really like for them to make Zobrist a priority. His versatility is a huge asset.

Chiefspants · 11-06-2015, 02:59 PM

The issue that's wearing me down about this discussion is that the people in favor of letting Gordo walk seem to be assuming that there is an easy and cost effective way to replace an .800 OPS bat in the lineup.

The reality is that we are either going to have to spend quite a bit to replace Gordo's production or accept a massive drop in quality in that spot of the lineup.

Brock · 11-06-2015, 03:05 PM

I don't think many people are in favor of letting him walk. I know I'm not. But the reality is the royals have a philosophy and they aren't going to change it at this point.

Chiefspants · 11-06-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I don't think many people are in favor of letting him walk. I know I'm not. But the reality is the royals have a philosophy and they aren't going to change it at this point.

That was more of a jab at the Facebook Royals fan in my feed who's saying that we should let Gordo walk and find a cheap JD Martinez like player to replace him!!1!

duncan_idaho · 11-06-2015, 03:16 PM

Zobrist would offer the opportunity to do the Hootie platoon (patent pending), though.

He could play RF vs. LHP, with Infante or Colon playing 2B, and play 2B vs. RHP, with Dyson playing CF and Cain getting a 1/2 day off in RF.

He makes a lot of sense. Which is why so many teams are going to chase him/he's going to be expensive.

I guess the ultimate thing to keep in mind is that the core of Hosmer/Moustakas/Perez/Morales/Cain/Escobar is strong enough to give KC a lot of options.

**ChiTown** · 11-06-2015, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Zobrist would offer the opportunity to do the Hootie platoon (patent pending), though.

He could play RF vs. LHP, with Infante or Colon playing 2B, and play 2B vs. RHP, with Dyson playing CF and Cain getting a 1/2 day off in RF.

He makes a lot of sense. Which is why so many teams are going to chase him/he's going to be expensive.

I guess the ultimate thing to keep in mind is that the core of Hosmer/Moustakas/Perez/Morales/Cain/Escobar is strong enough to give KC a lot of options.

Amen!

Eleazar · 11-06-2015, 03:25 PM

I don't find the Mellinger article convincing at all. There's nothing there that we don't know. We know there will be crazy money out there. We know the Royals are hoping for a hometown discount. We know Gordon has seemed willing to discuss it. It'll probably just come down to how wide the difference is.

I don't see why people post that link and then resign themselves. It's just fluff.

**Saul Good** · 11-06-2015, 03:30 PM

The truth is that both Zobrist and Gordon are guys that provide great leadership by example, and there are a lot of young teams that need that kind of leadership. It's valuable. We aren't a team that needs veteran leadership, because our entire team is made up of veteran leaders who know what it takes to win.

The more I think about it, the more I think Gordon walks. We may well sign Zobrist, though. If we lose Alex, Holland, Rios, and Vargas, we should have enough money ($25,000,000 or so) left to sign another solid starting pitcher and possibly a servicable RF.

Sal
Hoz
Infante/Zobrist
Esky
Moose
Orlando/Dyson
Cain
Zobrist/?

Volquez
Ventura
Duffy
Medlen
Young?
FA?
Zimmer?

I'm not sure that's a WS caliber team, though. Infante is an albatross.

duncan_idaho · 11-06-2015, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The truth is that both Zobrist and Gordon are guys that provide great leadership by example, and there are a lot of young teams that need that kind of leadership. It's valuable. We aren't a team that needs veteran leadership, because our entire team is made up of veteran leaders who know what it takes to win.

The more I think about it, the more I think Gordon walks. We may well sign Zobrist, though. If we lose Alex, Holland, Rios, and Vargas, we should have enough money ($25,000,000 or so) left to sign another solid starting pitcher and possibly a servicable RF.

Sal
Hoz
Infante/Zobrist
Esky
Moose
Orlando/Dyson
Cain
Zobrist/?

Volquez
Ventura
Duffy
Medlen
Young?
FA?
Zimmer?

I'm not sure that's a WS caliber team, though. Infante is an albatross.

I'm confident the payroll is going to get to $135-140 million (Moore may try to leave himself some wiggle room for a midseason acquisition). They're going to be around $97 million for 17 players if they get the payback from Vargas' insurance. That would give them around $30-40 million to work with to fill LF/RF/1 SP/1 extra player IF they go with minimum guys to fill a few bullpen spots (Michael Mariot, Brian Flynn), to fill UTIL IF (Colon) and 5th OF (Orlando).

I think that leaves enough cash to get a Gordon/Zobrist + a Mike Leake or Yovani Gallardo level SP and perhaps enough to bring back Chris Young as the swing guy, too.

If you go Zobrist, it may be enough to pick up a guy like Gerrardo Parra or Dexter Fowler to play LF, too (I know Fowler has been a slightly negative defender in CF, but his D would play up/play fine in LF).

**Saul Good** · 11-06-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

I'm confident the payroll is going to get to $135-140 million (Moore may try to leave himself some wiggle room for a midseason acquisition). They're going to be around $97 million for 17 players if they get the payback from Vargas' insurance. That would give them around $30-40 million to work with to fill LF/RF/1 SP/1 extra player IF they go with minimum guys to fill a few bullpen spots (Michael Mariot, Brian Flynn), to fill UTIL IF (Colon) and 5th OF (Orlando).

I think that leaves enough cash to get a Gordon/Zobrist + a Mike Leake or Yovani Gallardo level SP and perhaps enough to bring back Chris Young as the swing guy, too.

If you go Zobrist, it may be enough to pick up a guy like Gerrardo Parra or Dexter Fowler to play LF, too (I know Fowler has been a slightly negative defender in CF, but his D would play up/play fine in LF).

I'm thinking $130,000,000 to start the season with room to add $10-$12,000,000 more down the stretch. If your scenario is close to true (and I think it may well be), that's absolutely a roster that can compete for a championship for 2 more years.

58-4ever · 11-06-2015, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Saul Good

The truth is that both Zobrist and Gordon are guys that provide great leadership by example, and there are a lot of young teams that need that kind of leadership. It's valuable. We aren't a team that needs veteran leadership, because our entire team is made up of veteran leaders who know what it takes to win.

The more I think about it, the more I think Gordon walks. We may well sign Zobrist, though. If we lose Alex, Holland, Rios, and Vargas, we should have enough money ($25,000,000 or so) left to sign another solid starting pitcher and possibly a servicable RF.

Sal
Hoz
Infante/Zobrist
Esky
Moose
Orlando/Dyson
Cain
Zobrist/?

Volquez
Ventura
Duffy
Medlen
Young?
FA?
Zimmer?

I'm not sure that's a WS caliber team, though. Infante is an albatross.

Doubt Young comes back, but you never know...

**Saul Good** · 11-06-2015, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Doubt Young comes back, but you never know...

To me, he's kind of the opposite of Gordon and Zobrist in that he has traits that the Royals value but other teams see as a liability. I'd love to see him become our crafty pitcher that just gets better with age. He's just such a great fit for our team and park.

Mr. Laz · 11-06-2015, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by 58-4ever

Doubt Young comes back, but you never know...

I don't know, many teams might not covet "crafty" as much as the smaller market teams like the Royals need to.

I want him back, it's good to have a guy like that to switch things up.

11-06-2015, 12:25 PM	#1
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Chiefspants World's Best Boss Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bronco Country Casino cash: $3584654	The issue that's wearing me down about this discussion is that the people in favor of letting Gordo walk seem to be assuming that there is an easy and cost effective way to replace an .800 OPS bat in the lineup. The reality is that we are either going to have to spend quite a bit to replace Gordo's production or accept a massive drop in quality in that spot of the lineup.
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Brock Say hello to my little friend Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Larryville Casino cash: $9598422	I don't think many people are in favor of letting him walk. I know I'm not. But the reality is the royals have a philosophy and they aren't going to change it at this point.
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duncan_idaho M-I-Z-Z-O-U Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Kansas City Casino cash: $-2169692	Zobrist would offer the opportunity to do the Hootie platoon (patent pending), though. He could play RF vs. LHP, with Infante or Colon playing 2B, and play 2B vs. RHP, with Dyson playing CF and Cain getting a 1/2 day off in RF. He makes a lot of sense. Which is why so many teams are going to chase him/he's going to be expensive. I guess the ultimate thing to keep in mind is that the core of Hosmer/Moustakas/Perez/Morales/Cain/Escobar is strong enough to give KC a lot of options. __________________ "You gotta love livin', cause dying is a pain in the ass." ---- Sinatra
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Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	I don't find the Mellinger article convincing at all. There's nothing there that we don't know. We know there will be crazy money out there. We know the Royals are hoping for a hometown discount. We know Gordon has seemed willing to discuss it. It'll probably just come down to how wide the difference is. I don't see why people post that link and then resign themselves. It's just fluff.
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11-06-2015, 03:30 PM	#10
Saul Good Quit your bullshit Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Bored of winning Casino cash: $10052799	The truth is that both Zobrist and Gordon are guys that provide great leadership by example, and there are a lot of young teams that need that kind of leadership. It's valuable. We aren't a team that needs veteran leadership, because our entire team is made up of veteran leaders who know what it takes to win. The more I think about it, the more I think Gordon walks. We may well sign Zobrist, though. If we lose Alex, Holland, Rios, and Vargas, we should have enough money ($25,000,000 or so) left to sign another solid starting pitcher and possibly a servicable RF. Sal Hoz Infante/Zobrist Esky Moose Orlando/Dyson Cain Zobrist/? Volquez Ventura Duffy Medlen Young? FA? Zimmer? I'm not sure that's a WS caliber team, though. Infante is an albatross.
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